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Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:40 pm to mmcgrath
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mmcgrath
Proving than gun-control is what exposes liberals for the wantonly ignorant bigots they are...
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:41 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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I've bought plenty, both from retailers
and when they required a background check, Did you say "frick all that"? No, bc you actually support a background check...don't lie.
Do I want a background check if I buy a gun from a friend/neighbor, no. I support what the OP is saying and would want the Peer to Peer background removed. Unless it was done so at Gun Show. Me buying a gun from you at the camp is off the books lol. That's not the narrative the OP is speaking on..I believe, maybe I'm wrong.
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Which is stepping and infringement itself, but OP said "outlawing all full auto". That's not the same as requiring a permit for it.
He stated the law already exist, despite narrative and didn't push to change anything on Class III permits.. Reread it
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:41 pm to Sailin Tiger
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Here is the "compromise" I wish we would see pushed by Republicans.
Nope.
Shove it.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:42 pm to Sailin Tiger
quote:No, just say what you mean and mean what you say.
I should have clarified for those who have been living under a rock. Retread the current laws which have effectively outlawed fully auto weapons for individuals.
Words - they're good things. Understand them.
And what does "effectively outlawed" even mean? It's either against the law or it isn't, and a person can legally own full autos.
quote:Then I would redirect you to my first statement about meaning what you say. Every woman I've ever met does this thing where they speak in riddles and it's up to me to decipher their meaning.
I want no such thing. Private transfer of property between family members and friends should be protected. I was speaking of purchasing firearms from dealers and at gunshows and was not intentionally speaking on private transfers. I would add that with current gun laws I personally would not be comfortable selling to someone I did not know anyways (I'm not interested in selling my guns in general anyways)
You very clearly said:
quote:So now you want to move the goal posts? Spoken like a true leftist.
any gun purchased must be preceded by a background check and purchased from a physical location
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:45 pm to bstew3006
quote:If you'll recall, OP said:
and when they required a background check, Did you say "frick all that"? No, bc you actually support a background check...don't lie.
Do I want a background check if I buy a gun from a friend/neighbor, no. I support what the OP is saying and would want the Peer to Peer background removed. Unless it was done so at Gun Show. Me buying a gun from you at the camp is off the books lol. That's not the narrative the OP is speaking on..I believe, maybe I'm wrong.
quote:And I think that requiring a background check for personal transactions is horseshite.
any gun purchased must be preceded by a background check
quote:OP said:
He stated the law already exist, despite narrative and didn't push to change anything on Class III permits.. Reread it
quote:Why would OP (and presumably you) want to outlaw the weapons owned by so many people who had to work so hard to get them? Why should CIII holders become instant criminals? Because that's precisely what would happen if full autos became outlawed.
4. Put forth a new law outlawing all automatic weapons (once again already exists despite the narrative)
Now, I'll concede that OP probably didn't word the post very well, but words have meanings and we should all strive to say what we mean and mean what we say.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:48 pm to Sailin Tiger
Let's start this conversations with:
The population of African Americans is 13.4%. Let's be generous and say that 7.7% of the African American population are males (I know the stats would change if we separate adults from children, but I don't have those stats). 80% of violent crime is committed by males.
53% of violent crime is committed by African Americans. So if I am doing my math somewhat correctly, roughly 66.25% of violent crime is committed by 7.7% of the population.
Let's address this first before we look at sweeping gun control laws.
The population of African Americans is 13.4%. Let's be generous and say that 7.7% of the African American population are males (I know the stats would change if we separate adults from children, but I don't have those stats). 80% of violent crime is committed by males.
53% of violent crime is committed by African Americans. So if I am doing my math somewhat correctly, roughly 66.25% of violent crime is committed by 7.7% of the population.
Let's address this first before we look at sweeping gun control laws.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:49 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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any gun purchased must be preceded by a background check and purchased from a physical location
So now you want to move the goal posts? Spoken like a true leftist.
That was my original statement as you will see there is no "edited" notation on my original post as there are on many of yours. I'm sorry I did not lay out my whole opinion in a way that was eloquent for you on a message board in my original post. You at no point attempted to engage in discussion and decided to immediately be a dick or I could have clarified had you asked.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:49 pm to Sailin Tiger
Down voted; didn't read
You can't compromise with leftist.
You can't compromise with leftist.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:55 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
You can also note on the first page where while answering another poster asking about background checks at a gun show I state
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Yes you still have to get a background check if purchased from one of the dealers there. The owner transfer booth does not exist currently or i have never seen them. Some people would use it but it would be easy enough to just wait till outside of the gun show if you wanted to sell to an individual.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:56 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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And I think that requiring a background check for personal transactions is horseshite.
I agree and the OP clarified it on personal transactions. I didn't need him to clarify, but you did.
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Why would OP (and presumably you) want to outlaw the weapons owned by so many people who had to work so hard to get them?
OP said:
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4. Put forth a new law outlawing all automatic weapons (once again already exists despite the narrative)
Let the bold section sink in
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Why should CIII holders become instant criminals? Because that's precisely what would happen if full autos became outlawed.
Once again, reread the bold section.
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Now, I'll concede that OP probably didn't word the post very well, but words have meanings and we should all strive to say what we mean and mean what we say
agreed, lets not pretend he's in Congress proposing a new bill
The whole premise of his OP was to take back the narrative under the disguise of "compromise" which wasn't compromise at all. Far too many people are over analyzing this post
To the OP, I get what you were trying to achieve.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:57 pm to Sailin Tiger
quote:"Many"?
That was my original statement as you will see there is no "edited" notation on my original post as there are on many of yours.
It was one, and I even described the reason for the edit in the post.
But in your world, where definitions are malleable and words can mean whatever you want them to mean, I suppose "one" is the same as "many".
quote:I'm sorry, too. My wife and daughter do the same thing when they get all emotional. They just blurt shite out without thinking. It's old hat to me.
I'm sorry I did not lay out my whole opinion in a way that was eloquent for you on a message board in my original post.
quote:I actually challenged each of your points 15 posts below your OP.
You at no point attempted to engage in discussion and decided to immediately be a dick or I could have clarified had you asked.
But you don't pay attention to the words you type, so why would you pay attention to the words someone else types?
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:58 pm to bstew3006
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To the OP, I get what you were trying to achieve.
Appreciated. I'll just have to be more polished in the future when starting a thread on the shitter.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:58 pm to bstew3006
quote:But...they aren't illegal.
4. Put forth a new law outlawing all automatic weapons (once again already exists despite the narrative)
You can literally buy them off of the internet. They're anything but illegal.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:59 pm to Sailin Tiger
quote:Or maybe just wipe your arse with the phone when you're done, that way all of the shite you expel can stay grouped in one place.
Appreciated. I'll just have to be more polished in the future when starting a thread on the shitter.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:00 pm to Sailin Tiger
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1. Reaffirm the right to purchase arms by all Americans and challenge laws that hinder this (magazine size limits, barrel length, etc...)
No need to reaffirm something that is a RIGHT.
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2. Put forth the "compromise" that a license must be had in order to carry concealed or unconcealed in public with the caveat that a uniform, simple, and inexpensive system to obtain carry license be put in place across all states . ( keep in mind that despite the liberal narrative, this is already for the most part a requirement with the exception of a few constitutional carry states.)
No. Criminals don't adhere to the laws you wish to impose on others.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:06 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
Your challenge:
So eloquent by the way. Considering my original premise was to repackage laws that already exis to get get libs to discuss repeal of restrictive laws on magazines and gun types and to establish cross state conceal carry licensing forgive me that I did not look at this as a discussion starter. Keep in mind my whole original thought was around the idea that the average leftist thinks that we are able to have guns shipped from ebay to our doorsteps.
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1. Reaffirm the right to purchase arms by all Americans and challenge laws that hinder this (magazine size limits, barrel length, etc...)
I'm with you.
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2. Put forth the "compromise" that a license must be had in order to carry concealed or unconcealed in public with the caveat that a uniform, simple, and inexpensive system to obtain carry license be put in place across all states . ( keep in mind that despite the liberal narrative, this is already for the most part a requirement with the exception of a few constitutional carry states.)
Nah. Sounds like infringement.
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3. Put forth the "compromise" that any gun purchased must be preceded by a background check and purchased from a physical location. Include stores and gun shows and require all gun shows to have a private owner transfer booth (Once again keep in mind that the gun show loophole is a myth anyways.)
More infringement.
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4. Put forth a new law outlawing all automatic weapons (once again already exists despite the narrative)
I will never support the idea of improving legislation by adding more legislation. That's an awful approach.
So eloquent by the way. Considering my original premise was to repackage laws that already exis to get get libs to discuss repeal of restrictive laws on magazines and gun types and to establish cross state conceal carry licensing forgive me that I did not look at this as a discussion starter. Keep in mind my whole original thought was around the idea that the average leftist thinks that we are able to have guns shipped from ebay to our doorsteps.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:14 pm to Sailin Tiger
quote:Well, your original post LITERALLY suggested that all transactions were to require a background check. Those are your words, not mine.
So eloquent by the way. Considering my original premise was to repackage laws that already exis to get get libs to discuss repeal of restrictive laws on magazines and gun types and to establish cross state conceal carry licensing forgive me that I did not look at this as a discussion starter. Keep in mind my whole original thought was around the idea that the average leftist thinks that we are able to have guns shipped from ebay to our doorsteps.
You also sought to outlaw all Class III firearms. Again, your words, not mine.
So don't get your feelings hurt when someone reads the words you type and points out all the problems with them.
As mentioned previously, I can concede that your post was worded poorly and perhaps not in line with the message you were trying to deliver. But I'm not a mind reader and therefore can't be expected to uncover the meaning beyond the definitions of the words you chose.
Connotation vs. denotation.
But my point remains, I see no reason to compromise on anything other than what is stated in 2A, to include the legality of full auto arms.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:15 pm to Sailin Tiger
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Compromise
What a pusspuss
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:17 pm to oldskule
The problem with that, is republicans don’t actually want voter reform, they want voter suppression.
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