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re: Gun control Compromise
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:15 pm to Taxing Authority
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:15 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:OP is gonna check with his wife and her boyfriend and see if those terms are acceptable.
The only "compromise" I'd be for is whatever gun laws are passed for citizens Congress must also follow. No more "assaault" weapons? Same for the people that guard congress. No more than 10 rounds? Ok. Same for the people that guard congress.
If The People don't need arms, Congress surely does not.
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Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:15 pm to troyt37
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Nobody missed the point. We have no intention of FURTHER compromising on a God-given right, guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States. We have "compromised' over, and over, and over again. What did it get us? Yet more demonization, and further demands for compromise.
His point of "Compromise" wasn't actually compromising, it was controlling the Narrative.
I don't want my rights infringed by limiting my mag size or barrel length. I support universal concealed carry across state lines, I support background checks, I support automatic weapons only sold to individuals who have the correct permit to buy
As the OP stated, most of these laws already exist, but that's not the narrative.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:16 pm to BigJim
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OP is basically offering the status quo. It looks good politically and gives up nothing.
Except it plays into the incrementalism that has been the stalwart of gun-control advocacy since the early 1970's.
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I would say that is shrewd.
Only to imbeciles.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:17 pm to Sailin Tiger
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Here is the "compromise" I wish we would see pushed by Republicans.
frick republicans, they'll sell your arse down the river.
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1. Reaffirm the right to purchase arms by all Americans and challenge laws that hinder this (magazine size limits, barrel length, etc...)
2. Put forth the "compromise" that a license must be had in order to carry concealed or unconcealed in public with the caveat that a uniform, simple, and inexpensive system to obtain carry license be put in place across all states . ( keep in mind that despite the liberal narrative, this is already for the most part a requirement with the exception of a few constitutional carry states.)
3. Put forth the "compromise" that any gun purchased must be preceded by a background check and purchased from a physical location. Include stores and gun shows and require all gun shows to have a pr
That a naw for me dawg.
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4. Put forth a new law outlawing all automatic weapons (once again already exists despite the narrative)
Should have NEVER been taken away.
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In order to win the gun control battle republicans must learn to control the narrative. Liberals have done so for decades now with incorrect use of terms and the myth of loopholes. Turn this against them by presenting "compromises" and laws that essentially are already in effect even though the average leftist thinks that anyone can go on ebay and have a fully automatic weapon delivered to their house.
The Constitution is clear.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:18 pm to Sailin Tiger
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Gun control Compromise
I already voiced my gun control compromise to that potato head poster this morning.
I'll give up my right to own guns when the left wingers give up their right to vote. Their rights are no more special than mine and I have no intention of surrendering them
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:19 pm to bstew3006
quote:OP stated:
His point of "Compromise" wasn't actually compromising, it was controlling the Narrative.
quote:That's garbage. That's a common 2A stepper approach. CCW is infringement.
2. Put forth the "compromise" that a license must be had in order to carry concealed or unconcealed in public with the caveat that a uniform, simple, and inexpensive system to obtain carry license be put in place across all states . ( keep in mind that despite the liberal narrative, this is already for the most part a requirement with the exception of a few constitutional carry states.)
quote:So now I get to have the government involved if I sell or transfer a firearm to family member? frick all of that.
Put forth the "compromise" that any gun purchased must be preceded by a background check
quote:So those with Class III licenses will become outlaws? frick all of that, also.
Put forth a new law outlawing all automatic weapons
None of that is compromise. It's a fundamental erosion of 2A, so no thanks.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:19 pm to Sailin Tiger
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Yes, these things already happen which was my point.
You support stupid pointless legislation where the only two outcomes are more restrictive laws or more red tape? That’s a win to you?
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:20 pm to Sailin Tiger
You cannot compromise with liberals on anything that involves giving more power to the federal government. Trump's mistake about extending restrictions after the initial two weeks to flatten the curve were up should show you that.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:21 pm to Nguyener
quote:Nguyenning.
You support stupid pointless legislation where the only two outcomes are more restrictive laws or more red tape? That’s a win to you?
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:23 pm to BigJim
quote:Indeed. If democrats can trick republicans into affirming their false premises... they will have disarmed republicans from making future arguments against them.
OP is basically offering the status quo. It looks good politically and gives up nothing.
I would say that is shrewd.
NEVER affirm someone else false premise.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:24 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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She suggests outlawing all full autos
Law already exist..unless you have a permit to buy said Fully Auto
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She suggests outlawing all full autos and would require any firearm purchase to have a background check. She's woefully unclear on the "shall not" part of infringement. Maybe you are, as well.
Last time you bought a gun, how was your background check? Or did you piss and moan and say "frick all that" and storm out?
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:27 pm to bstew3006
quote:Which is stepping and infringement itself, but OP said "outlawing all full auto". That's not the same as requiring a permit for it.
Law already exist..unless you have a permit to buy said Fully Auto
Example - is "outlawing all alcohol" the same thing as "needing a license to buy alcohol"?
quote:I've bought plenty, both from retailers and private citizens.
Last time you bought a gun, how was your background check? Or have you never bought a gun?
The last time you bought a firearm from a private citizen, did they require you to do a background check? Because that's what OP wants. Reread it.
EDIT: Here you go, in case you didn't want to go back to page 1 -
quote:Maybe you and I have different grasps of the English language, but I take the words "any gun" to mean any gun. Period. And that's bullshite stepping and governmental involvement when it isn't needed.
Put forth the "compromise" that any gun purchased must be preceded by a background check
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:28 pm to Sailin Tiger
I would prefer to put persons who commit gun crimes in jail for 20 years without parole.
And to leave the 99% of law abiding gun owners alone.
And to leave the 99% of law abiding gun owners alone.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:28 pm to Taxing Authority
I support banning gun free zones, or holding the owner of any building that is labeled a "gun free zone" financially and legally responsible for not taking every possible step to ensure their building actually is gun free. There needs to be real consequence for disarming law abiding citizens and turning them into targets.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:32 pm to Sailin Tiger
1. Mental illness in high school or later triggers a new mental illness check before purchasing a gun as an adult.
2. Mandatory gun registration. All sales run through a gun shop / broker with background check.
2. Mandatory gun registration. All sales run through a gun shop / broker with background check.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:33 pm to mmcgrath
quote:No thanks.
2. Mandatory gun registration. All sales run through a gun shop / broker with background check.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:34 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Why not just ban mental illness? There! It's fixed.
1. Mental illness in high school or later triggers a new mental illness check before purchasing a gun as an adult.
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2. Mandatory gun registration. All sales run through a gun shop / broker with background check.
Because as we all know, if you buy a gun from a gun shop it is no longer able to be used in a mass shooting.This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:34 pm to mmcgrath
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Mandatory gun registration
Absolutely not.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:35 pm to Sailin Tiger
Have a serious crack down on all the illegal guns in inner-cities across America.....Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, New York etc.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:36 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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Which is stepping and infringement itself, but OP said "outlawing all full auto". That's not the same as requiring a permit for it.
Example - is "outlawing all alcohol" the same thing as "needing a license to buy alcohol"?
I should have clarified for those who have been living under a rock. Retread the current laws which have effectively outlawed fully auto weapons for individuals.
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I've bought plenty, both from retailers and private citizens.
The last time you bought a firearm from a private citizen, did they require you to do a background check? Because that's what OP wants. Reread it.
I want no such thing. Private transfer of property between family members and friends should be protected. I was speaking of purchasing firearms from dealers and at gunshows and was not intentionally speaking on private transfers. I would add that with current gun laws I personally would not be comfortable selling to someone I did not know anyways (I'm not interested in selling my guns in general anyways)
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