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Georgia moving to paper ballots?

Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:02 am
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
12812 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:02 am
Last Friday, in a Federal Court In Atlanta, Georgia, University of Michigan Professor of Computer Science and Engineering J. Alex Halderman testified in front of Judge Amy Totenberg’s courtroom about the Dominion voting machines used in the Georgia elections since 2020.

As reported earlier, during his testimony, Halderman was able to HACK A DOMINION VOTING MACHINE and change the tabulations in front of U.S. District Judge Amy Totenberg and the entire courtroom!

Halderman USED ONLY A PEN TO CHANGE VOTE TOTALS!

Lou Dobbs has been covering these explosive developments on Lou Dobbs Tonight on Frank Speech.

Lou Dobbs invited investigative journalist Amber Connor back on his show on Thursday night. Amber is reporting on the developments from inside the Fulton County courtroom this week.

On Thursday Amber told the Lou Dobbs Tonight audience that Georgia may be moving towards paper ballots.

Lou Dobbs: Well, whether Georgia uses election machines that they’ve used for the past six years or not is well going to be decided in a trial underway in Atlanta, Georgia. Tonight, we’re learning more details about the curling versus Roffensberger trial. Citizen journalist Amber Connor has been in the courtroom throughout the proceedings and joins us now with the latest force. Amber, great to see you this evening. So is it your judgment as you’re watching this, Amber, have they introduced tabulators more significantly into this case? Secondly, does it appear that which side seems to be ahead on points with the judge? Is it the state defense of these machines that have been clearly demonstrated to have vulnerabilities, or is it the counterparty to it all?

Amber Connor: I would say the judge is leaning towards the plaintiff’s defense, the occurling and Marilyn marks and coalition for good governance… But the curling plaintiffs are really pushing for only talking about the ballot marking devices. But when the proffers were offered by VoterGA, one thing that seemed to raise her eyebrow was when they had announced that they agreed with Dr. Halderman’s declaration, as well as Professor Starks, which was both the ICP in-person scanner and the ICC Mellon ballot scanners cannot detect photocopied ballots!…

Lou Dobbs: So let me ask you this Halderman demonstrated that machines can be hacked. He demonstrated that the ballot marking device is extraordinarily vulnerable. Then we’re left with the images, we’re left with the tabulators, and somehow it is narrowed to the point that it only would examine the ballot marketing devices. But the machines are obviously vulnerable. Even there is agreement here between the experts for the defense and for the plaintiffs. The reality is that the software fix can’t be put together because it would just take too long. That there is no question that there are vulnerabilities within the what is. It seems like a straightforward decision for the judge Totenberg. Either she’s going to let these vulnerable machines go forward in the election or she’s going to have to order up a paper ballot and a decision. It looks to me like it’s straightforwardly got to emerge from this trial. Is that right?

Amber Connor: Unless she surprises everyone and opts for a hybrid where when you walk in, you can choose a hand-marked paper ballot or choose the BMD and give the voter the choice concerning their comfortability. I don’t know. And that’s what’s riveting for me, is watching the judge throughout and her wanting to hear the evidence and actually be an honest broker. But it’s very difficult to look past the vulnerabilities of the machines. It’s very difficult… It’s hard to parse through why everyone isn’t agreeing that we need an impenetrable system and we don’t have that…

Lou Dobbs: Is it fair to say there is agreement on vulnerability, that there is agreement on the ballot marking devices… It looks like the pressure is now on the judge to make a decision that’s going to affect these machines across the state of Georgia.

Amber Connor: …As it stands now, I think she is going to advise to go to handmarked paper ballots. You’re right. It can change. LINK


Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
4085 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:10 am to
Dems, research "hanging chads' stat!
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
2443 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:13 am to
There's so much misinformation about this crap. Georgia already uses paper ballots. It's the piece of paper that the voting machine spits out after you're done with the big QR code on it that you then drop in the box on your way out.

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Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41648 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:18 am to
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It's the piece of paper that the voting machine spits out after you're done
I think it's the voting machine part that is the problem.
Posted by lazlodawg
Member since Sep 2017
476 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:28 am to
When those QR codes are read, what keeps them from incorrectly allocating the selections made? How can you be certain that the QR code on your paper ballot will result in your selected candidates receiving your vote? When recounts are done, do they just rescan the QR codes, resulting in the same number of "votes" or do they count the printed names? Why have a QR code at all? When I see the list of candidates that I voted for on my paper ballot, how can anyone be certain that the QR code correctly reflects the choice of those candidates?

Either way, the main concern is fraudulent mail-in ballots.
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
9252 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:46 am to
quote:

There's so much misinformation about this crap. Georgia already uses paper ballots. It's the piece of paper that the voting machine spits out after you're done with the big QR code on it that you then drop in the box on your way out.

Tell us again how you aren’t stupid and are worthy of serious discussion on this board.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 9:58 am to
You think there is cheating now? Just wait to see the cheating that will occur when there is massive real "ballot box stuffing" which will happen with paper ballots.

The solution is not paper ballots.

The solution is a electronic voting system that is secure.
Posted by iHEARTcorndogs
Island of Misfit Corndogs
Member since Oct 2023
1034 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:02 am to
They don’t want it to be secure. That’s the problem. So, you have to eliminate the threat all together
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34024 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:23 am to
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There's so much misinformation about this crap.


Like…

“Most secure election ever!”
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15653 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 10:53 am to
Lots of local party groups petitioning for paper.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42522 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:15 am to
quote:

fraudulent mail-in ballots

unless this is fixed there is no solution.

Same-day, in-person, voting on paper ballots under constant supervision by a fully auditable process with perjury declarations/signatures at any handoff point. Fully audit a random selection of every state's election material/date within two weeks of Election Day - or no delegates allocated until resolved.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57257 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:15 am to
Will not matter if certain precincts ignore the rules
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37034 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:34 am to
quote:

They don’t want it to be secure. That’s the problem. So, you have to eliminate the threat all together


A paper ballot system is less secure than Dominion.

Going to paper ballots HELPS the Dems.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
123782 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:40 am to
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There's so much misinformation about this crap.
Indeed. You perfectly manifest it.

The QR code is unreadable except by scanner. There is no hardwired connection between the ballot printout and QR code. ¿Comprende? There is no way for a voter to confirm who he or she actually voted for.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29911 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 11:41 am to
quote:

Georgia moving to paper ballots?


thats great, so they fix voter fraud, but not for this year, its too late to change anything for the 24 election, but after 24, when trump can no longer run, that is when they finally agree to fix voter fraud

good to see something being done, but dont fool yourself, they still havent anything to prevent any voter fraud for the 24 election
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 12:29 pm
Posted by Violent Hip Swivel
Member since Aug 2023
2443 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

When those QR codes are read, what keeps them from incorrectly allocating the selections made? How can you be certain that the QR code on your paper ballot will result in your selected candidates receiving your vote? When recounts are done, do they just rescan the QR codes, resulting in the same number of "votes" or do they count the printed names? Why have a QR code at all? When I see the list of candidates that I voted for on my paper ballot, how can anyone be certain that the QR code correctly reflects the choice of those candidates?

Either way, the main concern is fraudulent mail-in ballots.



The printout has the names of all the candidates you choose, too. It's what all of the different Elections Superintendents' office used during the big hand recount, where they laid out all of the folding tables and work in teams.

There's so much damn disinformation on this board that it's almost dystopian. It gets bizarre at some point smh

And, on another note, why would Republicans be in favor of paper ballots only when Democrats control the big counties. Are you guys aware of how many boxes of paper ballots were tossed over river bridges and burnt in cow pastures back in the day in Georgia.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 2:10 pm
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56385 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:13 pm to
If Georgia goes hand marked and hand counted ballots, the house of cards in Georgia falls.

Pettifogger will probably leave the site and never return.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42522 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:16 pm to
quote:

Going to paper ballots HELPS the Dems.

now that deserves an explanation -

true - there is no way to prevent dozens of instants of fraud in any one precinct.

BUT - when some precinct tries to change the results by several thousand votes, that is really hard to conceal - without needing a lot of TIME.

hence - Election Day voting only - photo ID required - registration rolls validated - observers in all counting locations - maintain original ballots and all documentation needed for audit for 5 years. Conduct random audits immediately on random sample of 10% of precincts prior to delegate selection. "absentee voting" requires EXTREMELY rigorous and Time Consuming effort by the voter.

Results by midnight -
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56385 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

A paper ballot system is less secure than Dominion.


It’s not.

You do need controls in place though. You need people from but he parties on site collecting ballots and validating identity.

You need chain of custody of those ballots with counts as they are transported.

And you need both parties available to count ballots.

But suggesting a system that allows transactions en masse to occur that are not auditable is more secure is laughable.
Posted by GoldenGuy
Member since Oct 2015
10859 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:18 pm to
I remember coming home from school, and my mother usually watched an hour of CNN instead of ol Fox News.

quote:

Lou Dobbs


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