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re: Gallup:for first time ever,democrats have more favorable view of socialism than capitalism
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:49 am to the808bass
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:49 am to the808bass
From FAQs:
The CIA is saying they use a bunch of sources and also make estimates. They appear to be saying they are attempting to use comparable data, but they certainly don't make that clear.
I've done a similar comparison using WHO (World Health Organization) data. In that one the USA comes in behind even Cuba in longevity. At least the CIA has us better than Cuba.
quote:
Why are there discrepancies between The World Factbook's demographic statistics and other sources?
Although estimates and projections start with the same basic data from censuses, surveys, and registration systems, final estimates and projections can differ as a result of factors including data availability, assessment, and methods and protocols.
Data availability Researchers may obtain specific country data at different times. Estimates or projections developed before the results of a census have been released will not be as accurate as those that take into account new census results.
Assessment Researchers can differ in their assessment of data quality and in their estimates based on the available country data. They often need to adjust their estimates due to such factors as undercounting in a census or underregistration of births or deaths.
Methods and protocols Differences in methods and protocols can shape the way estimates and projections are made of fertility, mortality, and international migration, and how these data are integrated with the population data. For example, the US Census Bureau uses a model that projects the population ahead by single years of age, a single year at a time (population statistics used in the Factbook are based on this model), whereas the United Nations model projects five-year age groups forward, five years at a time.
The CIA is saying they use a bunch of sources and also make estimates. They appear to be saying they are attempting to use comparable data, but they certainly don't make that clear.
I've done a similar comparison using WHO (World Health Organization) data. In that one the USA comes in behind even Cuba in longevity. At least the CIA has us better than Cuba.
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:49 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Why do you never hear anything like "the extreme left has taken over the democratic party"?
You won’t hear that, but how often do we hear that the extreme right owns the Republican Party? All the time. Strange when you consider that Trump is the most leftist republican candidate we could have elected.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:51 am to BigAppleBucky
Again. I find it weird that you won’t respond.
Why won’t you tell the class where the majority of the worlds medical innovation comes from?
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Just wondering. Can you tell the class where the vast majority of medical innovation, new drugs, new procedures, etc come from? Is it america? Or countries that provide “free healthcare”
Also, asking for a friend. Can you explain the difference in population, not just size, but make up as well between America and these other countries with “free healthcare”
Oh, and also. Can you also look maybe at the transportation mode of those countries compared to the US.
You do know that Europeans walk a lot more to get around right? I mean, a vast majority of their cities were planned before the invention of automobiles. They’re quite compact in comparison to the United States.
Why won’t you tell the class where the majority of the worlds medical innovation comes from?
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:54 am to BigAppleBucky
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The CIA is saying they use a bunch of sources and also make estimates. They appear to be saying they are attempting to use comparable data, but they certainly don't make that clear.
You’re giving them way too much credit. The US counts all live births as live births. Other countries (including developed countries like Switzerland or Germany) don’t count babies under certain lengths or weights as live births. Other developed countries don’t count births for babies that survive less than 24 hours as births.
So just so you’re aware, the data you’re quoting is shite. It’s comparing apples and oranges and pretending they’re all apples.
42 of 52 babies that were born under 0.9 lbs since 2000 and survived came from the US. We have phenomenal neonatal care. You probably don’t know that because otherwise you wouldn’t spout the nonsensical data you spouted.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 10:55 am
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:56 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
That is greatly concerning.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:57 am to AbuTheMonkey
quote:True.
Basically all of those numbers are within a certain MoE. Within that margin of error, inputs probably matter a lot more than expenditures, though it's obviously difficult for healthcare economists to ascertain exactly what the weight of each input factor is. ETA: Not to mention (as mentioned above) that for some of those statistics, how each piece is measured can vary considerably across countries.
Tell me which is the better healthcare system: that which raises life expectancy from 76 to 80 or that which raises life expectancy from 81 to 83?
But between an infant mortality rate of 5.80 per thousand in the USA compared to 2.00 in Japan is certainly significant. And paying 17.1% of GDP compared to 10.20% in Japan also is.
It has been propagandized for years that the US for profit system beats the single payer systems of other advanced countries. These numbers show that is simply not true. We've been hoodwinked by the people making the big bucks.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:58 am to BigAppleBucky
Where. Does. The. Majority. Of. Medical. Innovation. Come. From.
Is. It. From. Free. Healthcare. Giving. Countries.
Or. Is. It. From. The. United. States.
Can. You. Elaborate. On. Why. This. Is.
Is. It. From. Free. Healthcare. Giving. Countries.
Or. Is. It. From. The. United. States.
Can. You. Elaborate. On. Why. This. Is.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:59 am to BigAppleBucky
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But between an infant mortality rate of 5.80 per thousand in the USA compared to 2.00 in Japan is certainly significant. And paying 17.1% of GDP compared to 10.20% in Japan also is.
Japan does not count babies which die within 24 hours as live births. Quit talking about stuff you don’t understand.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:59 am to CelticDog
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Globalism shipped their parents work to asia
FTFY
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:59 am to CelticDog
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Globalists shipped their parents work to asia
Nationalist are current working to correct this.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 10:59 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Well, they are crazy.
I was thinking about this earlier. A successful democracy/republic probably needs a lot of Capitalism, a little Comminism, Socialism and yes, even Facism, amongst some other elements.
But people aren’t rational enough to discuss it.
I was thinking about this earlier. A successful democracy/republic probably needs a lot of Capitalism, a little Comminism, Socialism and yes, even Facism, amongst some other elements.
But people aren’t rational enough to discuss it.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:04 am to BigAppleBucky
quote:Apples and oranges are the same thing.
- We rank 43rd in the world in longevity (80 years), just below the Turk Islands.
- Maternal death rate is at 14 per thousand, or 46th in the world. Worse than Saudi Arabia at 12.
- Infant mortality rate 5.8, or 55th in the world, behind even Serbia, Latvia, and Hungry.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:08 am to BigAppleBucky
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But between an infant mortality rate of 5.80 per thousand in the USA compared to 2.00 in Japan is certainly significant. And paying 17.1% of GDP compared to 10.20% in Japan also is.
Do you just ignore every post that proves you to be FOS?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:11 am to BigAppleBucky
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True.
But between an infant mortality rate of 5.80 per thousand in the USA compared to 2.00 in Japan is certainly significant. And paying 17.1% of GDP compared to 10.20% in Japan also is.
Does Japan calculate infantry mortality the same way that we do? Be especially careful with that particular statistic because it varies wildly in how each country measures it.
To your second point, so what? Healthcare is a normal good. We are a richer society purchasing-power adjusted than Japan, and we spend a lot more than they do on healthcare and education (they tend to spend more on real estate). If we rationalized our system under a single payer umbrella, that doesn't mean that we would get to 10.20% of GDP or that outcomes would improve.
We already spend more on public dollars per capita than Japan (and everyone else in the world not named Norway and Switzerland) in healthcare. Read that again and think through the implications: we spend more on Medicare and Medicaid per person - public dollars that only cover a percentage of our population - than Japan does on its entire system.
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It has been propagandized for years that the US for profit system beats the single payer systems of other advanced countries. These numbers show that is simply not true. We've been hoodwinked by the people making the big bucks.
By whom? I've seen more "propaganda" from the single payer side over the last decade than I have from the for-profit side.
That's without getting into the innovation free rider arguments that are quite real and would have to be accounted for in any economic calculus.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:11 am to Ag Zwin
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Yet, in 2016, the poll said 58% viewed socialism positively while only 56% viewed capitalism positively.
What am I missing?
Maybe they are subtracting out the negatively views to get a net rating?
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:11 am to the808bass
Also, Japan’s spending “jumped” (they weren’t including some obvious healthcare expenses in their accounting) to over 11% of GDP. They’re now 3rd most expensive in the world. Their healthcare system is going to be driven to severely cut costs. Their hospital stays are 3X as long as ours and their number of OP visits are very high.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:18 am to the808bass
Democrats are worried about Socialists taking over their party only in that they are afraid they will be rejected and lose power. Socialism is tantamount to political power. It is hard to find a politician who does not prefer to have more power. Democrats will publically downplay Socialism until they feel they can jump on board. They agree with the underlying principles of Socialism, they just don't believe that their are enough voters who agree.
Conservatives have trouble finding representatives who agree with the conservative principles of limited federal power. Like the Democrats, these folks get to Washington and learn to crave it.
Term limits would be a good start.
Conservatives have trouble finding representatives who agree with the conservative principles of limited federal power. Like the Democrats, these folks get to Washington and learn to crave it.
Term limits would be a good start.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:21 am to Jax-Tiger
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Like the Democrats, these folks get to Washington and learn to crave it.
Power/control is the most addictive thing in the world.
There isn’t a drug in the universe that compares to power.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:22 am to beerJeep
quote:Majority? Almost certainly from outside the USA because of simple numbers. Did I look for documentation of that? No. Did you?
Where. Does. The. Majority. Of. Medical. Innovation. Come. From.
Is. It. From. Free. Healthcare. Giving. Countries.
Or. Is. It. From. The. United. States.
Can. You. Elaborate. On. Why. This. Is.
Anecdotally I recently read about the best hearing aids coming from Germany. I also recall that it was French researchers who first identified the AIDS virus. Also, even though US based scientists win a good share of Nobel Prizes, many of them were born and educated outside of the US.
Here's an article from 2015:
US Slipping as research leader
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Research funding, particularly by the private sector, has also shifted to later stages development and away from basic science. Guided primarily by the desire to realize short-term economic benefits, the share of spending by pharmaceutical, biotechnology, and medical device companies on phase 3 clinical trials – large studies in people that often represent the final step before regulatory approval – grew by 36 percent between 2004 and 2012. Industry spending is also now the largest component of U.S. medical R&D, increasing from 46 percent in 2004 to 58 percent in 2012.
Lots of good work still being done in the USA, but when the aim is profits, basic research suffers.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 11:35 am to BigAppleBucky
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- Maternal death rate is at 14 per thousand, or 46th in the world. Worse than Saudi Arabia at 12.
- Infant mortality rate 5.8, or 55th in the world, behind even Serbia, Latvia, and Hungry.
You would prefer our poor people be malnourished and thin and thus better prepared for childbirth, than morbidly obese and at a major risk for eclampsia, strokes, and blood clots?
Healthy women aren't dying in childbirth, and our health system isn't making low income mothers eat 3000 calories a day.
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