re: For those of you who don't know, I am a 4th generation farmer.

Didn't you get your dick stuck in your zipper one time?

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It’s just happening to people like you now, because your industry has been heavily subsidized for decades, so you’re upset and lashing out.

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It’s literally happening due to reciprocal tarriffs

Subsidies have nothing to do do with this. There are still plenty of subsidies for some farmed products but they’re still hit with foreign reciprocal tarrifs

Economics 101 is your friend

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I am a 4th generation farmer.


Before the Somalis showed up you were the biggest welfare queen in America

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Farmers are still bigger welfare queens than Somalis.

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And where do the billions of subsidies farmers get every year fall in this free market of yours

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you think the soybean or any ag commodity market was free before Trump?

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I see. Y'all are stupid.

So I will explain the concept of the False Dilemma.

A false dilemma is a logical fallacy that seeks to distort a situation by assuming that taking one position is necessarily in opposition to some other position when in fact, there are multiple possibilities, not just those two.

So just because I correctly point out that tariffs artificially change the market, that doesn't mean I am being hypocritical because I didn't mention that current subsidies or other factors also do so.

Yes, many factors distort the market. Conservatives generally don't like any of them.

But Trump's tariffs represent the largest tax increase on the American people since I was 12 years old, and the effects are largely centered around agriculture, and we've already seen them result in having to bail farmers out to a degree larger than usual in his first term, and—most importantly—AGRICULTURAL TARIFFS ARE THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD. Not other factors that distort the free market. If y'all would like to start another tread discussing those, I'll participate.

Let me know if I need to expound my explanation on these simple concepts further.

My family is an 8th generation farm. Been on the same couple of thousand acers (not counting leased land) since the 1820's. Mainly row crops like cotton, corn, and beans now but we've done cattle, chicken and hogs in my lifetime. We own a gin too.
Bean prices have been lower than they are today, Same for corn and cotton. Back in like 2008 cotton spot price closed at .45 once. A couple of years later it was 1.95. I'm not sure about livestock since Tyson and Smithfield pretty much ran us out of business I quit paying attention to it.

Anyway....everything is fine. It's almost like you have up and down years all the time.

John Deere being bitches is a bigger issue for us these days.

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Yes, many factors distort the market. Conservatives generally don't like any of them.

But Trump's tariffs represent the largest tax increase on the American people since I was 12 years old, 

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For a conservative, in tUSA, the quoted area here makes little sense.

Tariffs were the prime source of federal income at the time of this nation's founding. They should not be seen as a tax increase to a conservative, since the basis of conservatism is to conserve intent at founding. What should be seen as a greater increase is all the other taxes that have been lumped on. Tariffs meanwhile should be seen as a restoration. Other taxes should be dropped.

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but they’re still hit with foreign reciprocal tarrifs

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so before Trump US commodities weren't hit with tariffs going into foreign markets

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My family is an 8th generation farm. Been on the same couple of thousand acers (not counting leased land) since the 1820's. Mainly row crops like cotton, corn, and beans now but we've done cattle, chicken and hogs in my lifetime. We own a gin too. Bean prices have been lower than they are today, Same for corn and cotton. Back in like 2008 cotton spot price closed at .45 once. A couple of years later it was 1.95. I'm not sure about livestock since Tyson and Smithfield pretty much ran us out of business I quit paying attention to it. Anyway....everything is fine. It's almost like you have up and down years all the time.

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Bingo. The OP sounds like he was counting on Trump to make everything easier for farmers and coverup for the OP’s bad money management.

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John Deere being bitches is a bigger issue for us these days.

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John Deere’s BS made my family switch from green to red over 10 years ago. Red has issues too but they are at least nice enough to use lube when screwing the farmers over.

There are other crops.