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re: For the prog-filth: Dershowitz: The president cannot obstruct justice
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:35 am to KoachKletus
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:35 am to KoachKletus
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So basically you trumpites are saying that trump is above the law
No. We're saying that the DoJ is part of the Executive Branch. Do you know who is the elected head of the Executive Branch?
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Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:46 am to texridder
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Dershowitz was wrong when he said this before and it's just as wrong now, when it is taken to mean that obstructing justice is not grounds for impeachment, simply based on the claim that a president has the power to do it.
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U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 73
18 U.S. Code Chapter 73 - OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
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§ 1501 - Assault on process server
§ 1502 - Resistance to extradition agent
§ 1503 - Influencing or injuring officer or juror generally
§ 1504 - Influencing juror by writing
§ 1505 - Obstruction of proceedings before departments, agencies, and committees
§ 1506 - Theft or alteration of record or process; false bail
§ 1507 - Picketing or parading
§ 1508 - Recording, listening to, or observing proceedings of grand or petit juries while deliberating or voting
§ 1509 - Obstruction of court orders
§ 1510 - Obstruction of criminal investigations
§ 1511 - Obstruction of State or local law enforcement
§ 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant
§ 1513 - Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant
§ 1514 - Civil action to restrain harassment of a victim or witness
§ 1514A - Civil action to protect against retaliation in fraud cases
§ 1515 - Definitions for certain provisions; general provision
§ 1516 - Obstruction of Federal audit
§ 1517 - Obstructing examination of financial institution
§ 1518 - Obstruction of criminal investigations of health care offenses
§ 1519 - Destruction, alteration, or falsification of records in Federal investigations and bankruptcy
§ 1520 - Destruction of corporate audit records
§ 1521 - Retaliating against a Federal judge or Federal law enforcement officer by false claim or slander of title
No legal scholar here = but /\ this is the definition of the 'crime' of obstructing justice.
Now it appears that when people spout 'obstructing justice' they are referring to political insinuations.
A president can be impeached for 'obstructing justice' in a political sense, but I don't see how any kind of criminal charges can be applied based on the facts as we know them now.
Of course there might be a pretty good criminal basis for obstructing justice against HRC for destroying information under subpoena by the Congress.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:52 am to OMLandshark
Stfu prog filth.
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 6:53 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 6:57 am to KoachKletus
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Hmm. So basically you trumpites are saying that trump is above the law. Correct? What a Fool Believes.
that isn't what I am saying at all. What I am saying is the it is well settled that an FBI investigation does not constitute a "proceeding" under the Code. Obstruction requires actions against a "proceeding". This isn't difficult. How did you get to your assumption from what was posted? It is nonsensical.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:03 am to OMLandshark
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It couldn’t be because you will let anyone with an R beside their name get away with anything. No it’s not possible you have no moral integrity to speak of.
You need to back off on this a bit.
There is one - and only one - political party which makes this part of their creed.
There is zero evidence that the allegations against Moore are true - and there are zero assertions that anything resembling those allegations has taken place in the last 40 f'n YEARS!!!
This is pure dirt dug up by a political opponent to disrupt an election in its final days when no effective rebuttal of the assertion can be made.
It is the f'n DEMOCRAT which is showing contempt for the issue of 'child molestation' by hauling out this emotional charge during a political campaign = thereby diluting its power when used against actual molestors. Just like you have done with constant charges of RACISM!!!! for political advantage, you have reduced that charge to laughable reactions thereby making its application to true cases of racism a joke.
to wit:
if Moore were not a senate candidate - you would not care what he did 40 years ago.
If Moore were a DEM this charge would have never surfaced in this campaign, because ALL the WaPo was interested in was finding something, anything to use for nefarious purpose of stealing a senate seat.
So get out of here with this shite about "moral principles' in this case. THIS case is all about political dirty tricks.
IF Moore make it to the Senate he will join the ranks of known moral degenerates in that august body - like Menednez, et al. At least he is not known to have killed (murdered?) a young woman 50 years ago like the Lion of the Senate Ted f'n Kennedy, who is still revered for his baby-killing abortion stance.
So mouth off your prog filth all you want - but please spare us your 'moral outrage.'
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:09 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:This.
please spare us your 'moral outrage.'
The apoplectic and hyperbolice pearl-clutching is almost as laughable as the convoluted and easily disproved lines of Far Left 'reasoning'...
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:09 am to RobbBobb
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What about Harvey Weinstein then?
he announced that hes running for office?
OLM (swing and miss gif)
I have forgotten what the OP was about!!!
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:11 am to OMLandshark
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you are morally bankrupt.
your "moral bankrupt detector" is stuck on stupid.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:12 am to OMLandshark
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you’re a fricking hypocrite and by definition have no moral integrity.
your 'hypocrisy detector' detector is broken and you never had a 'moral integrity' meter.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 7:14 am to starsandstripes
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So, you're OK if a POTUS hands over a CD full of classified material to a foreign power and then directs the DOJ not to look into the matter?
Wait - didn't Clinton do just that with the Chinese??
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:05 am to OMLandshark
quote:But what is the price of tea in China?
It’s hilarious that you call people filth when you support a child molester like Roy Moore.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:10 am to FT
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Dershowitz is incorrect.
I’m not going to bother explaining why. I’ll just let you guys melt and downvote this reply.
But I’ll bump it when I’m right.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:24 am to Strannix
Trump is can be charged with obstructing justice
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:27 am to Strannix
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"The president has the authority to direct the head of the FBI to stop investigating anyone," Dershowitz stated on "Your World." "I've been saying this for months." "I think this puts an end to any claim that President Trump obstructed justice. You can't obstruct justice by simply exercising your power under the Constitution," he added.
Yeah, this argument didn't work out well for Nixon.
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“When the president does it, that means it is not illegal.” - Richard Nixon
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:38 am to starsandstripes
The suggesting that the POTUS can not obstruct justice is demonstrably false. It depends upon the surrounding facts and intent. Saw this very issue discussed recently by a panel of law professors that are every bit as authoritative and knowledgeable as Dershowitz
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:39 am to VOR
He's not going to be impeached.
Live with it
Live with it
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:46 am to OMLandshark
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It’s hilarious that you call people filth when you support a child molester like Roy Moore.
That's all you've got? Roy Moore? Really? I guess you've missed the ongoing Hollywood, Democrat, liberal progressive in general scandals.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:50 am to GurleyGirl
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That's all you've got? Roy Moore? Really? I guess you've missed the ongoing Hollywood, Democrat, liberal progressive in general scandals.
I’ve been calling them out as well. It’s just many of y’all are fever pitch going with Moore all because the Democrats are being hypocrites here.
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:50 am to OMLandshark
Breaking now on Drudge, tell me my sauces aren’t hot.......
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 12/4/17 at 9:52 am
Posted on 12/4/17 at 9:55 am to Strannix
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Really he’s a convicted child molestot? I missed that, I did hear the prog filth had tried to brand him as one so they could put a senator in who supported murdering babies at conception though.
Actually he (Doug Jones) is in favor of allowing an abortion on the babys due date. He finds it acceptable to drill a hole in the babys head and vacuum out the brains.
There is a special place in Hell for people like him.
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