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re: "flock" camera outrage, is it really ngos fighting deportations?
Posted on 8/22/26 at 11:52 am to Centinel
Posted on 8/22/26 at 11:52 am to Centinel
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but as soon as you step outside onto public property you no longer have the right to privacy.
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Carpenter v. United States
Where does it say in Carpenter v. United States that you can't be photographed by anyone when you are in public?
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Posted on 8/22/26 at 11:58 am to Dawglovertoo
Why don't you go read the SCOTUS ruling and see how it applies to Flock cameras and how they operate.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 11:59 am to Honkus
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Chinese propaganda to give them a leg up on the AI arms race
This is a lie/propaganda told by people who have an agenda for a surveillance police state and nothing more.
AI does NOT need huge data centers for development, training or any such things that could give China a "leg up". NONE, datacenters are useless for this purpose.
There are 2 stages for AI. There is the training stage and then there is the model doing things phase.
To start with, you can't just store data, and it be usable for training AI. To train AI you need to be able to tell it in some manner if it is doing well or not.
In more simple/understandable terms, let's take a simple AI that would classify cats and dogs. Something that has been around awhile. You don't train on trillions of cats and dog's images. You can do that with only about 200 images, and maybe up to 25,000 depending on the model and how good it is.
What would actual improvement and development for such a tool be based on? Using less images for the same result.
What the training stage actually needs is RAM and CPU/GPU power. Once the model is trained, these requirements shift and the RAM and CPU/GPU requirements are much lower.
The other stage is when you apply the model to data. And the only reason you'd need a huge data center then is if you wanted to keep information on every single dog and cat known in the world, create profiles and classify each of them.
And that is what the data centers are for. NOT for improving AI, NOT because it gives them some kind of advantage on developing AI. But for the simple task of collecting data on everyone so that the trained AI can be used on that data.
So please stop repeating this bullshite. Data centers are for the sole purpose of collecting data on people so that AI can use that data.
They just throw China in there to make people not question the other statements. China ain't got shite to do with it.
This post was edited on 8/22/26 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 8/22/26 at 11:59 am to Centinel
You don’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy on a public street.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 12:00 pm to Dawglovertoo
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Where does it say in Carpenter v. United States that you can't be photographed by anyone when you are in public?
If flock was taking one photograph in one location, not linked to tens of thousands of other discrete locations, you would have a point. Instead that many cameras can continuously track the average innocent civilian, warrantlessly, which is what Carpenter said is not allowed.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 12:07 pm to Willie Stroker
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The cameras themselves obviously did not suddenly just pop up.
What do you mean by suddenly?
Ten sprang up in my town the Christmas season after the 2020 Summer of Love on portable trailers. They parked them at the mall and shopping centers.
Two years ago they started installing the permanent ones on poles.
My county has a population of 70000. I have 47 within a 10 mile radius of my house.
"Suddenly,meh. Been around for decades."
What utter bullshite. It finally reached the boiling point.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 12:09 pm to Dawglovertoo
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What you do in the privacy of your home is a protected Constitutional right but as soon as you step outside onto public property you no longer have the right to privacy. The rest of the people have the right to be able to safely go about our business without having our possessions stolen or our lives and our family member's lives being put in jeopardy because of criminals who are taking advantage of a lack of cameras to keep an eye on them.
As far as I'm concerned I would have no problem with cameras watching every square inch of public property.
The 4th amendment also extends to your vehicle.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 12:09 pm to BigoBoys
quote:Did the technology exist in some form? Yes, though it was not as sophisticated.
I am a securiy practioner. I have been attending global technology shows for 25 years. The first one I attended there were cameras with "video analytics"
Were they on very street corner all over America? No.
quote:Flock is not the only company that has this tech. True, but it is far from a simple license plate reader rebranded. That's just dishonest.
Flock is simply a different brand of the camera
quote:What the frick does this even mean? Nice spelling, btw.
I am a securiy practioner.
The amount of people shilling for this is disheartening.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 12:12 pm to NYNolaguy1
What we really need is a government issued tracker that everyone's required to wear on your person if you leave your home. Think of how many crimes they'd solve! All those little hoodlums breaking into cars could be tracked. Of course, if you aren't out doing anything wrong then you'd have nothing to worry about.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 12:35 pm to theunknownknight
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- They’re spending $725 billion this year. Last year was $410 billion. That’s a 77% jump in twelve months. Amazon’s near $200 billion, Microsoft around $190, Alphabet up to $205, Meta between $115 and $145. LINK - Do the math based on this link and it’s 725 billion in with only 150 billion out. LINK - Ninety-two percent of their current cash flow is going back in the hole mentioned above. Buybacks used to eat 43% of it. Now it’s 16%. They’ve quietly stopped handing money back to shareholders. LINK - The total scenario above has these companies on a very heaving borrowing cycle: $225 billion of bonds this year alone so far, up 973%. And the lenders are cooling off. Five times oversubscribed in February. Under two times by July. Some of those bonds already trade below what they were sold for. LINK - Alphabet went cash-flow negative in Q2, first time ever. Microsoft’s expected to go negative in Q4, first time since at least 2001. Amazon’s projected negative this year. LINK - Meanwhile, there’s $662 billion of data centre leases you’re not being shown. LINK - The BIS named a possible AI bust and the collapse of these circular financing deals among the things most likely to crack the global financial system this year. LINK
We heard something similar in the late 2000s and early 2010s, when well intentioned skeptics were vocal about cloud computing being overhyped, that adoption would be slower than the industry expected, and that many companies might invest ahead of actual demand.
Yes, it’s a fair argument to suggest the need is overhyped.
But the scale of infrastructure investment by these companies during that era demonstrated these businesses were investing in a future capacity that was on target.
How confident are you that your numbers are a more accurate indicator of what true demand will be? What are the odds that you really know better than them?
How do you distinguish genuinely excessive capacity investment from investment that looks insane immediately before a massive demand curve?
This post was edited on 8/22/26 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 8/22/26 at 12:41 pm to GregMaddux
quote:Before they became one of the leading debates on here, I'm not sure that I knew of them. I saw two within 100 feet of each other. Not sure what one was looking at but one was at a busy intersection.
For many of us they absolutely suddenly popped up
Posted on 8/22/26 at 12:42 pm to Ingeniero
Why don’t you get the laws changed to make these cameras illegal? The Legislature meets every year in April. Because right now, flock cameras are 100% legal and are doing amazing work to capture criminals and illegal aliens who are out in public on public streets.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 3:21 pm to Centinel
You are the one who knows about the ruling.
You can just answer the question and enlighten me.
You can just answer the question and enlighten me.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 3:23 pm to Boom33
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The 4th amendment also extends to your vehicle.
It doesn't apply to the outside of your vehicle or what is in public view that can be seen through the windows.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 3:58 pm to Dawglovertoo
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It doesn't apply to the outside of your vehicle or what is in public view that can be seen through the windows.
So, you'd be ok with police setting up cameras around your property and having them facing your house full time recording everything that happens on your property?
Posted on 8/22/26 at 4:00 pm to trinidadtiger
You really are a dumbass sometimes, but I like you.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 4:06 pm to Boom33
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So, you'd be ok with police setting up cameras around your property and having them facing your house full time recording everything that happens on your property?
I would have a serious conversation with my family.
Your scenario describes a very selective and disproportionate interest in my residence.
So my instinct is not to open with a declaration of it being unconstitutional, but starting with wondering why my home out of all residences in the area.
Odds are, one of my family members are up to something, or my buddies are playing a joke on me.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 4:39 pm to Willie Stroker
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I would have a serious conversation with my family.
Your scenario describes a very selective and disproportionate interest in my residence.
So my instinct is not to open with a declaration of it being unconstitutional, but starting with wondering why my home out of all residences in the area.
Odds are, one of my family members are up to something, or my buddies are playing a joke on me.
I guess it's ok as long as they do it to everyone's house then.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 4:58 pm to Boom33
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I guess it's ok as long as they do it to everyone's house then.
The key distinction is whether the surveillance is justified and proportionate, not whether it is applied equally.
Equal treatment and justified treatment are two separate questions.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 5:25 pm to theunknownknight
I love this one too....
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china has a better understanding of playing the long game than the USA.
They have been a communist country for 76 years, US in case you missed it 250 as a republic....try harder
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