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re: Exactly how did Zelensky start his war with Russia?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:57 am to AGGIES
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:57 am to AGGIES
This started from a civil war of Ukraine and 2 regions that no longer wanted to be a part of Ukraine. We had no business involving ourselves in it. Russia supplied the rebels with weapons and then joined them in the fight. The United States has done this shite for decades. We are 37 trillion dollars in debt. 10 trillion just added over the last 4 years and Zelensky has no idea where billions went and Elon is finding trillions in waste and fraud with people not knowing where a lot of the money went or they are politicians that were pocketing it. Either way we are done with this bs, we are done paying 2/3 of Europe's defense. The American people spoke in November.
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:58 am to NC_Tigah
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They didn't do anything until the West backed a coup to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader.
Assumption of facts not in evidence.
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they didn't' do anything until EU integration was OFF the table.
Russia's part in this was the "something" they did to start this whole conflict.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think Putin went to war for a land bridge to Crimea and to fire a shot across the bow of NATO.
The best the west can do now is, post Zelensky, begin to integrate Ukraine, economically, into the west
The best the west can do now is, post Zelensky, begin to integrate Ukraine, economically, into the west
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
See 8 page thread...immediately go to page 8 and see sfp
stop reading and move on to another thread after DV
stop reading and move on to another thread after DV
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:16 pm to geoag58
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The best the west can do now is, post Zelensky, begin to integrate Ukraine, economically, into the west
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:USAID was putting in the work. Meanwhile, Ukraine had no shot at EU integration ... NONE!
According to a 2012 poll, 46 per cent of Ukrainians supported the view that Ukraine should become an EU member while 33 per cent rejected the idea. It is noteworthy that even in the Donbas region and Crimea, people aged 18–29 did not differ from their peers who lived in other parts of the country. Data showed that 51 per cent of the youth in the eastern part of the country were in favour of Ukraine’s membership in the EU
Massive, possibly unattainable, reforms would have been requisite. There certainly was no standing EU statement to the effect of "Ukraine WILL BECOME an EU member."
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:20 pm to TheShmoo
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Exactly how did Zelensky start his war with Russia?
Zelensky was slow on the draw see meme below for OT comprehension :
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:23 pm to stout
frick Putin and his plans to rebuild the Soviet empire.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:29 pm to TheShmoo
He didn't, he was installed partially by our state department. Originally, they wanted to use Vladimir Klitchco as the puppet to prod Russia into war with them, instead they got a real actor.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:30 pm to NC_Tigah
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Meanwhile, Ukraine had no shot at EU integration ... NONE!
They were literally at the finish line of the process
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There certainly was no standing EU statement to the effect of "Ukraine WILL BECOME an EU member."
European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement
Started in 2008 and was progressing along just fine until someone started stalling the process. That someone? Yanukovych.
The EU was still on board up until at least November 28, 2013
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Cox and Kwasniewski said following a meeting with Verkhovna Rada Chairman Volodymyr Rybak that the mission would last until November 28, the Interfax-Ukraine correspondent reported.
According to Cox and Kwasniewski, Ukraine still has a chance to sign the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement.
What else happened once the rug was pulled?
Putin says Ukraine-EU deal a threat to Russia
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Russia’s president has called for European leaders to end their criticism over Ukraine’s decision to delay an EU pact, as thousands rallied in Kiev in a third day of protests.
Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday a free trade deal between the European Union and Ukraine that was controversially put on hold last week would have been a “major threat” to the Russian economy.
Also on Tuesday, Kiev admitted Moscow had asked it to delay signing the pact, while President EU Yanukovych said he would consider signing under new terms.
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The shock decision sparked the largest protests to hit the ex-Soviet country since the pro-democracy Orange Revolution in 2004, with demonstrators taking to the streets in the capital Kiev and western Ukraine.
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27 Nov 2013
The protests were already going on when this article was written.
They intensified once Yanukovych did the full 180 on EU integration and agreed to the highly unpopular trade agreement with Russia.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:30 pm to bgtiger
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He didn't, he was installed partially by our state department. Originally, they wanted to use Vladimir Klitchco as the puppet to prod Russia into war with them, instead they got a real actor.
Again, see NC?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:31 pm to The Maj
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TheShmoo
Appalachia
Member since Dec 2022
165 posts
Post less... a lot less...
Alter troll account. Do not feed.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
You ever thought that Z-man was the guy that they felt would serve their agenda better?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:33 pm to Lord of the Hogs
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You ever thought that Z-man was the guy that they felt would serve their agenda better?
No. It makes no sense and ignores the role of a puppet.
This is what you call a pivot due to unfortunate facts affecting a narrative.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:38 pm to MikkUGA
That’s what it looks like from here also. Trump won the election, and him winning the election killed support for Ukraine.
Russia was struggling and teetering on the brink of their own collapse, and now Trump is going to give Putin whatever he wants to help him with Ukraine.
If only Ukraine would have announced an investigation into Biden to help Trump’s election chances, then Trump might have supported Zelensky.
But that’s over with, and now Trump is going to stab Ukraine in the back. Ukraine is completely furked and we’ll see how Europe handles their support. Now Trump says he might even end up getting minerals from Ukraine divided up from Putin.
Too bad it also cost America’s credibility.
Russia was struggling and teetering on the brink of their own collapse, and now Trump is going to give Putin whatever he wants to help him with Ukraine.
If only Ukraine would have announced an investigation into Biden to help Trump’s election chances, then Trump might have supported Zelensky.
But that’s over with, and now Trump is going to stab Ukraine in the back. Ukraine is completely furked and we’ll see how Europe handles their support. Now Trump says he might even end up getting minerals from Ukraine divided up from Putin.
Too bad it also cost America’s credibility.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:40 pm to KiwiHead
Ukraine is closer to Moscow than Finland. It’s always been about Ukraine.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Obama stayed out of Ukraine
But his VP didn't. You are one dishonest piece of work.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
Nothing makes sense to you other than you.
A puppet is there to be used and then thrown away. It’s perfectly logical that the globalists cast the first guy out for Zelensky when they knew he could be controlled easier.
Nothing you say is factual.
A puppet is there to be used and then thrown away. It’s perfectly logical that the globalists cast the first guy out for Zelensky when they knew he could be controlled easier.
Nothing you say is factual.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:47 pm to AGGIES
Russia was going to win, regardless of the election. Ukraine was never going to defeat Russia militarily.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:56 pm to VOR
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frick Putin and his plans to rebuild the Soviet empire.
I hope he rules Ukraine only to see you cry a river
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