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re: Exactly how did Zelensky start his war with Russia?

Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:35 am to
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:35 am to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:36 am to
Yup. And after that, Merkel and Hollande have admitted that Minsk II was a smokescreen/delay tactic to build up Ukraine.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:37 am to
Exactly, sovereign nation makes me laugh when we had a dozen spy bases on the border and Biden, McCain, and Lindsey visiting regularly.
Posted by Burt Reynolds
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:38 am to
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That was a domestic dispute.


The CIA orchestrated the Orange Revolution. Just like many other revolutions and rebellions they orchestrated around the world. They’re good at coups but not so much cleaning up the aftermath.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 11:39 am
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:39 am to
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Everyone gets rich during war times.


Except those that get dead.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:40 am to
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The CIA orchestrated the Orange Revolution.


There's nothing to indicate any activity in 2013. Everything you'll fine is from months later in 2014.
Posted by CorchJay
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:41 am to
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Continuously bombing Russians in Donbas after Putin for years told him not too


This. Exactly.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:42 am to
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Also Ukraine has been Russia since the beginning of time so they are taking back whats theirs
So I guess it's okay with you if Mexico takes back Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California?

Dumbass.
Posted by LSUconvert
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Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:44 am to
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It could be argued that large parts of the US used to belong to Spain and Mexico. But we have the bigger hammer. And Russia has the bigger hammer.


I can't wait until your stuff is my stuff. This post is gonna be awesome.
Posted by Jimmy Montrose
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:44 am to
frick Putin and his orange puppet and anyone who supports either.
Posted by LSURussian
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:45 am to
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applying to join NATO after repeatedly (and even in writing) promising never to do so.
Link? I'd like to read about that.
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:45 am to
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There's nothing to indicate any activity in 2013



Wrong. Plans of the Coup were announced in the RADA in 2013


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Posted by CorchJay
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:45 am to
Also Ukraine broke the Minsk agreement. Breaking peace treaties generally start wars.
Posted by YouKnowImRight
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:46 am to
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So I guess it's okay with you if Mexico takes back Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California?

Dumbass.


I'm all for might making right. It's what made America great. But Mexico was conquered and hasn't advanced enough to even threaten to take those territories back.

The difference in Ukraine is that they had nukes to defend themselves with, and we talked them into giving them up. We wouldn't have this war if we had just stayed out of their business.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:49 am to
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The difference in Ukraine is that they had nukes to defend themselves with, and we talked them into giving them up. We wouldn't have this war if we had just stayed out of their business.


This was agreed to by Russia and the US - that Ukraine would be protected if they gave up nukes.

No country is going to trust US promises, just like they don’t trust Russian promises.
Posted by Burt Reynolds
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:50 am to
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There's nothing to indicate any activity in 2013. Everything you'll fine is from months later in 2014.


that’s the psyop propaganda the media pushes if you choose to believe it.
Posted by Tmcgin
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Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:54 am to
Tell the lie loud and often
The Trump sheeple will always believe
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:54 am to
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and we talked them into giving them up.
"We" includes Russia when Ukraine was guaranteed its then existing "territorial integrity" by the USA and Russia as part of the agreement for Ukraine to return the nukes still on its soil after the collapse of the USSR.

Russia, and Putin, violated that guarantee and then Ukraine started the process of requesting to join NATO. Russia started that process by breaking its guarantee.

But don't let actual historical facts get in your way of forming your opinions..
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:55 am to
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And yet, they didn't' do anything until EU integration was on the table
They did not do anything until the olympics were off the table. They didn't do anything until the West backed a coup to overthrow Ukraine's democratically elected leader.

They didn't do anything until Yanukovych released Tymoshenko. They didn't do anything until the Chinese zodiac changed to the Year of Horse.

and wait for it ... they didn't' do anything until EU integration was OFF the table.

NATO was the driver.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:56 am to
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Plans of the Coup were announced in the RADA in 2013


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Oleg Tsaryov


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