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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Link to the claim if you can. I'd like to see who was that misinformed.
Zelensky was part of the purported coup
You've remained consistently naive to the nidus for this war. That nidus in a major sense was NATO .... period. NATO and a western backed Ukrainian coup was the reason Putin invaded Crimea. NATO (along with the phony Minsk Accords) was the major reason for Russia's 2022 invasion. Russia made it crystal clear two decades ago that Ukraine-to-NATO would mean war.
Zelensky, in his inexperience, was drawn like a moth to the NATO flame. Team Potatobrain, knowing full-well the ramifications, ensured Putin was fully apprised of Zelensky's NATO interests. Meanwhile, the West allowed/encouraged Ukraine to break terms of Minsk as further incitement of Russian actions
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:07 am to NC_Tigah
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Russia made it crystal clear two decades ago that Ukraine-to-NATO would mean war.
And yet, they didn't' do anything until EU integration was on the table. They started this in 2013.
They've largely ignored NATO on their actual doorstep elsewhere for some time, also.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:13 am to TheShmoo
Both Crimea and Donbas wanted to separate from Ukraine. Both had rebel groups that were fighting civil wars with Ukraine. Ukraine at one point was under investigation for using cluster bombs in civilian areas. Russia began supplying weapons to the rebels to fight back against Ukraine. Crimea was annexed and Russia moved troops into Donbas to fight Ukraine.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:14 am to TigahTeeth
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Having a hand in biochemical warfare i.e covid.
Dementia Joe went over multiple times to set up the agreements that led to 3 biolabs in 2014. He also was busy setting up the power structure to bully anybody looking into what he was doing. DJT made a phone call asking about what Joe did and was impeached for it. Obama also was issuing up some EO's to try and punish Russia about Crimea in 2014, while trying to slide The Ukraine into Nato.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
What do you think of Biden leading this effort?
This war may have been a noble cause by Ukrainians but it became a grift for proponents here in the US. And I bet Biden and Zelensky were the biggest grifters of all.
Zelensky may have, at some point, been sincere in his beliefs but he will never win without igniting WW3, surely you understand this. Putin shot his mutinous subordinate out of the sky he will hang on to the bitter end.
Trump is the best thing that will happen to the Ukrainian people. People still believing the outcome will be different are in no way willing to invest their blood or treasure.
This war may have been a noble cause by Ukrainians but it became a grift for proponents here in the US. And I bet Biden and Zelensky were the biggest grifters of all.
Zelensky may have, at some point, been sincere in his beliefs but he will never win without igniting WW3, surely you understand this. Putin shot his mutinous subordinate out of the sky he will hang on to the bitter end.
Trump is the best thing that will happen to the Ukrainian people. People still believing the outcome will be different are in no way willing to invest their blood or treasure.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:22 am to NC_Tigah
See, this is the part everyone keeps missing. Russia didnt invade Crimea, Donbas or Ukraine. They supplied weapons to Crimea and Donbas. The rebel groups in Crimea and Donbas wanted to be part of Russia and if that was not an option then they wanted to be their own country. What they didnt want to be was a part of Ukraine. Obama gave Joe Biden free reign to do as he pleased in Ukraine for 8 years and it was considered one of the most corrupt places on Earth.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:22 am to geoag58
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Trump is the best thing that will happen to the Ukrainian people
This depends on if Trump ensures Ukraine still has a path to EU integration.
If Russia's concern is NATO, they should have no issue with Ukraine joining the EU.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:23 am to MikkUGA
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Russia didnt invade Crimea, Donbas or Ukraine. They supplied weapons to Crimea and Donbas. The rebel groups in Crimea and Donbas wanted to be part of Russia and if that was not an option then they wanted to be their own country.
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Even before the 2013–2014 EuroMaidan pro-EU protests that precipitated Russia’s first invasion of Ukraine, majority of Ukrainians believed that the future of their country should be within the EU.[2] According to a 2012 poll, 46 per cent of Ukrainians supported the view that Ukraine should become an EU member while 33 per cent rejected the idea. It is noteworthy that even in the Donbas region and Crimea, people aged 18–29 did not differ from their peers who lived in other parts of the country. Data showed that 51 per cent of the youth in the eastern part of the country were in favour of Ukraine’s membership in the EU, while only 22 per cent were against. Besides, the attitude toward EU membership depended on the level of people’s awareness. The poll showed that 52 per cent of Ukrainians who were well-informed about the talks between Ukraine and EU on the Association Agreement were in favour of membership.
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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This depends on if Trump ensures Ukraine still has a path to EU integration.
frick the EU
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If Russia's concern is NATO, they should have no issue with Ukraine joining the EU.
They will have an issue because Ukraine belongs to Russia
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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If Russia's concern is NATO, they should have no issue with Ukraine joining the EU.
Then Trump needs to zip it. That is show some restraint while his team negotiates a peace with Ukraine and Russia. The way it is going today with his schtick, Russia just needs to unleash barrages or artillery and their hypersonic and this thing will be over. And Trump will go down in history the way you think he will.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:25 am to Burt Reynolds
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They will have an issue because Ukraine belongs to Russia
Well yeah that's the real conflict with Russia/Putin
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:28 am to MikkUGA
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See, this is the part everyone keeps missing. Russia didnt invade Crimea, Donbas or Ukraine. They supplied weapons to Crimea and Donbas. The rebel groups in Crimea and Donbas wanted to be part of Russia and if that was not an option then they wanted to be their own country.
They were Russians pretending to be rebel groups and recruiting other “rebels”.
It is the equivalent of what the CIA has done elsewhere.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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And Zelensky ousted the purported Western puppet
Sir, what are you talking about? Zelensky Is the Western puppet
Perhaps you’ve missed the photos of him standing in front of our Congress, begging for more money and support while Harris and Pelosi wave the Ukrainian flag on our congressional floor
It’s a disgrace
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Well apparently the 18-29 year old crowd had zero say in anything because they were in a civil war with Ukraine and Ukraine was being investigated by the U.N. human rights group for dropping cluster bombs in civilian areas. I seriously doubt anyone wanted anything to do with Ukraine after that.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
Shouldn’t have overthrown Yanukovych and this wouldn’t have happened. The CIA’s plan failed miserably except for lining politicians’ and military industrial complex pockets.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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Well yeah that's the real conflict with Russia/Putin
It could be argued that large parts of the US used to belong to Spain and Mexico. But we have the bigger hammer. And Russia has the bigger hammer.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:30 am to ApexTiger
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Sir, what are you talking about? Zelensky Is the Western puppet
See, NC?
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:31 am to Burt Reynolds
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Shouldn’t have overthrown Yanukovych
That was a domestic dispute. Putin fricked up by trying too hard. EU membership was too popular organically with the Ukrainian population.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:34 am to AGGIES
The Crimea parliament voted to split from Ukraine and become a part of Russia. So if you want to say it was Russian citizens ok. The people of Crimea and Donbas said the whole time they were Russian and not Ukrainian.
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