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Does anyone else feel dumb for falling for the "War on Terror" propaganda in the 2000s?
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:13 pm
I was like 12 years old when we declared war on Iraq, but remember thinking we would legitimately liberate and give freedom to the people and Iraq and Afghanistan, and also remember being told if we didn't fight these wars that Sadaam would use his secret WMDs on America (the same Iraqi military that was toppled in an afternoon)
What is shocking is how many suckerers have decided to trust Lucy again with the football like clockwork. Do people not learn?
What is shocking is how many suckerers have decided to trust Lucy again with the football like clockwork. Do people not learn?
This post was edited on 2/18/23 at 1:24 pm
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Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:15 pm to burger bearcat
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What is shocking is how many suckerers have decided to trust Lucy again with the football like clockwork. Do people not learn?
Economy is in the shitter.
War is great for business, especially the MIC and their political cronies.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:15 pm to burger bearcat
No because after 9-11- 2001 they had to go somewhere. At the time Iraq was somewhere. But problem was they didn't try real hard to get Bin Ladden. They sure went after Sadam though.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:17 pm to burger bearcat
I wouldn’t say I fell for it. The afghan war was necessary but I was against the Iraq war from the jump. And never was a proponent of the Patriot Act.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:19 pm to burger bearcat
When they refused to identify the enemy, which is radical Islamic terrorism, and instead chose “terror“ as the enemy is when I realized they were not serious.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:20 pm to burger bearcat
No. At the time we’d just been attacked on our soil. It was a very different time and getting hit here changed things dramatically.
In hindsight was it a wise move… well, I’ll just say that things could’ve been handled better.
In hindsight was it a wise move… well, I’ll just say that things could’ve been handled better.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:21 pm to burger bearcat
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Does anyone else feel dumb for falling for the "War on Terror" propaganda in the 2000s?
Oh I sure as shite do.
After 911, the one thing the Democrats had right was wanting to treat it as an international criminal act and not as an act of war.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:22 pm to burger bearcat
The day those planes hit the towers the country went into inexorable decline. If you don't feel dumb, you enjoy the decline.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:25 pm to burger bearcat
so you are only 32? i thought you were in your 40's at least.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:29 pm to burger bearcat
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also remember being told if we didn't fight these wars that Sadaam would use his secret WMDs on America
Ehhhh, no. That was never a mainstream point. I’m not saying some nuts didn’t say that, but no one mainstream said that - certainly not the President. The argument was Sadaam had ALREADY used WMD against the Kurds.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:30 pm to Pandy Fackler
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international criminal act and not as an act of war.
I argued that point loudly to many. I saw Iraq as the non sequitur it was at the time. I was 20 yo. It was very destabilizing, and I think it played a huge role in the eruption of populism on the right. Kills me to hear W bemoan the destruction of the party he authored. But anyway, now that we’re awake to the manipulations, I hope to see more evidence that we have some ideas on how to fix it all.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:38 pm to Pandy Fackler
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After 911, the one thing the Democrats had right was wanting to treat it as an international criminal act and not as an act of war.
It was an act of war. That’s exactly what the perpetrators said it was.
“War on terror” was aleways a stupid formulation, because you can’t wage war on a method. It was a war on Al Qaeda.
This post was edited on 2/18/23 at 1:40 pm
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:45 pm to burger bearcat
How much stuff about saddam, uday and qusay was true? ….or totally made up? We’ll never know. GE, Cheney, et al were probably no better in retrospect. Yeah i feel like a sucker
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:46 pm to burger bearcat
I was just looking at a set of photos last night of various Middle Eastern countries before and after US "liberation." We really did some evil shite to pad our defense contractor and government pockets. Left some countries destabilized for decades and in ruins.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:46 pm to Penrod
I was all for the war in Afghanistan but not the the way it evolved into a shite show.
I was pretty skeptical of attacking Iraq.
I was pretty skeptical of attacking Iraq.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 1:47 pm to burger bearcat
I think many of us got caught up in the emotion (myself included) and wanting retribution for the murder of our innocent citizens. At the time I didn't fully understand the history of Afghanistan. It is a place that puts very little value on human life and is where empires go to die. You either have to completely level it, or leave it alone. There is no "winning" in Afghanistan unless you have a bottomless pit of cash and an unending supply of people whose lives you don't value to do the fighting. Even then, you never really win. You just maintain the status quo until the bodies and money run out.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 2:06 pm to burger bearcat
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Do people not learn?
Two weeks to stop the curve.
New tactic. Same goal. To erode the freedoms guaranteed to you by the constitution.
Emergencies are manufactured in order to circumvent your constitutional rights by enacting “solutions” which are actually control mechanisms.
Patriot act anyone? They used terror and the threat of terror to get you to agree to a solution which held even more terrible consequences for Americans.
Covid anyone? They used terror and the threat of terror to demand things like vaccine cards and passports to enter businesses or qualify for medical treatment or to simply keep your job. All the while telling you that requiring an ID to vote is racist, because that would erode their ballot counting advantage.
Fetterman anyone?
See how this goes? You are only useful for your ability to pay taxes to the machine that represents its own interests in lieu of yours as Americans and to maintain the illusion that this isn’t actually the case.
The greatest lie the devil ever told was to convince people that he didn’t actually exist.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 2:09 pm to burger bearcat
No dumber than the war on drugs or the war on poverty or the war on racism or the war on the 1%. It’s all made up bullshite to obfuscate the real goals.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 2:16 pm to burger bearcat
Planes full of Saudi's attack the United States. Let's invade Iraq!!!
Posted on 2/18/23 at 2:19 pm to Penrod
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also remember being told if we didn't fight these wars that Sadaam would use his secret WMDs on America
Ehhhh, no. That was never a mainstream point. I’m not saying some nuts didn’t say that, but no one mainstream said that - certainly not the President. The argument was Sadaam had ALREADY used WMD against the Kurds."
Sorry, but you have a short memory. The National Security Advisor of the Unted States- Condoleeza Rice said this, in response to critics claiming there was no proof that Sadam Hussain had WMDs: " We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud". Clearly, this was a way of instilling the fear of nuclear attack against the US. She was selling the war with fear.
also remember being told if we didn't fight these wars that Sadaam would use his secret WMDs on America
Ehhhh, no. That was never a mainstream point. I’m not saying some nuts didn’t say that, but no one mainstream said that - certainly not the President. The argument was Sadaam had ALREADY used WMD against the Kurds."
Sorry, but you have a short memory. The National Security Advisor of the Unted States- Condoleeza Rice said this, in response to critics claiming there was no proof that Sadam Hussain had WMDs: " We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud". Clearly, this was a way of instilling the fear of nuclear attack against the US. She was selling the war with fear.
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