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re: Do you believe you understand what systemic racism is?

Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:24 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:24 am to
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It seems like most posters here think that everyone just needs to “try harder” and they can get out of poverty without acknowledging the various obstacles impeding this.



on the flip side, those promoting "social justice" need to acknowledge that a lot of issues can be solved on the individual level

you can't solve, say, police violence, on the individual level

but you can make a dent in, say, mass single motherhood

the social justice ilk don't even want to acknowledge the fact that single motherhood is a huge detriment to a child's development and future social status
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:26 am to
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the social justice ilk don't even want to acknowledge the fact that single motherhood is a huge detriment to a child's development and future social status


And rather ironically, when challenged, they'll immediately jump to the anecdote of the single mom who's now in the C-suite of XYZ company who worked her way through college, etc. etc.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 9:29 am
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:26 am to
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systemic racism is a meaningless buzzword used by white women to libsplain why poor black people stay poor and black despite being passed by 1st and 2nd generation immigrants who didn't even speak english when they came here from genuinely dirt-poor countries



In other words, you know everything about racism and it’s the black peoples fault.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:27 am to
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My issue though is that I am now being told to comply and act and think and speak a very specific way or else lose my job, or else have my family harmed, or else perhaps have violence inflicted against me. And if I speak out against this and use any critical thinking or show any nuance in how to address these problems, then I am a violent, oppressive racist.
Very well stated.

What I find most interesting is that most of the people calling you a “violent, oppressive racist” are of the same race as you. Hence the now-ubiquitous phrase “It’s not enough to be non-racist, you have to be anti-racist”. As though merely treating people of all colors equally is wholly insufficient.

It’s almost as if some group was controlling the narrative to deliberately keep us at each other’s throats, even if we fundamentally agree on the major issue.

Interesting.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:28 am to
No, but I know systemic racism is bullshite.
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:28 am to
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It’s a complex issue and I’m not sure there’s a simple answer. It seems like most posters here think that everyone just needs to “try harder” and they can get out of poverty without acknowledging the various obstacles impeding this.



I have known you are a Liberal troll.

You are such a coward that you hide by claiming to be a conservative.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50164 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:30 am to
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the social justice ilk don't even want to acknowledge the fact that single motherhood is a huge detriment to a child's development and future social status



Personally, I’ll acknowledge that. I believe there was a systemic destruction of the black family. The government instituted policies that encouraged(s) single motherhood for decades.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:31 am to
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You are such a coward that you hide by claiming to be a conservative.

I don’t claim to be a conservative? I don’t use either of those labels.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:31 am to
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And rather ironically, when challenged, they'll immediately jump to the anecdote of the single mom who's now in the C-suite of XYZ company who worked her way through college, etc. etc.


yeah the shifting i macro and micro makes any discussion difficult
Posted by chateaublanc
Member since Apr 2020
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:32 am to
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In other words, you know everything about racism and it’s the black peoples fault.


Did you start this thread to troll or are you going to explain systematic racism? Youve been asked to explain it several times
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422470 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:32 am to
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Personally, I’ll acknowledge that. I believe there was a systemic destruction of the black family. The government instituted policies that encouraged(s) single motherhood for decades.

well now you run into the 100% adherence issue and you're now a racist and should be shunned from society
Posted by Jrv2damac
Kanorado
Member since Mar 2004
65115 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:32 am to
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In other words, you know everything about racism and it’s the black peoples fault.


It’s a hell of a lot better than “we know everything about systemic racism and it’s all whitey’s fault.”

Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:33 am to
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The government instituted policies that encouraged(s) single motherhood for decades.


Yet you want the same government to save them from this oppression?

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50164 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:38 am to
I didn’t start this thread so I could proclaim to be an expert. I’m wondering if y’all are even open to considering alternative perspectives.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50164 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:39 am to
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Yet you want the same government to save them from this oppression?
link?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:41 am to
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Do you believe you understand what systemic racism is?



We know you dont.

Theres right and there is wrong

All the other labeling is just bullshite
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50164 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:41 am to
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well now you run into the 100% adherence issue and you're now a racist and should be shunned from society



Ok? Do you post here only to complain about what other people do or do you care to focus on what you can actually control like your knowledge and information? It’s frustrating that threads devolve into “well, other random people we saw on tv say this so boom.” Who cares?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21765 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:42 am to
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Personally, I’ll acknowledge that. I believe there was a systemic destruction of the black family. The government instituted policies that encouraged(s) single motherhood for decades.


Guess what they call people who try to roll those policies back?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101404 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:42 am to
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quote:
Personally, I’ll acknowledge that. I believe there was a systemic destruction of the black family. The government instituted policies that encouraged(s) single motherhood for decades.


Systematic actions seem to always have unintended consequences, often just as if not more negative than those they are attempting to systematically resolve.

Best efforts and results seem more often to occur on the individual level.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 9:43 am
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50164 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:43 am to
Who are “they”?
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