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re: Do you believe you understand what systemic racism is?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:55 am to The Maj
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:55 am to The Maj
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I acknowledge they have a shitty lot but these large population centers and the lot they have can be directly attributed to who they have elected to run those population centers... So, whose fault is it they make shitty choices over and over?
Back in the early 20th century, a large number of black people migrated from the South to the North (6 million actually from 1918 to 1970). They moved to the urban city centers to find a new life away from the Jim Crow South. What they found though were similar issues with racism that we more veiled than where they came from.
Did you know that the black ghetto of Chicago had some of the highest priced apartments and homes per square foot? The places were dilapidated dumps, but price fixing to keep black people isolated and suppressed from taking poor white jobs led to some shitty living conditions.
In fact, many apartments were packed with only beds that had sleep schedules. People slept in shifts. Night workers would get the morning. Morning workers would get the afternoon. Afternoon the night. If you weren’t sleeping, you were expected to leave the apartment and go to work or roam the streets. The prices of the apartments were too high to not have that kind of set up. And the prices were that high only because they were black and the native whites of the city didn’t want them around.
That’s a good example of systemic racism. It led to poor living conditions which led to bad education and bad environments for children which led to lack of opportunity to which led to crime. That was merely 70ish years ago and it’s not like we’ve been actively working to improve those areas for all that long either.
Of course it takes effort on their part to solve many of their issues. But I’m not going to pretend that policies and decisions from racist people didn’t cause a lot of them.
My issue though is that I am now being told to comply and act and think and speak a very specific way or else lose my job, or else have my family harmed, or else perhaps have violence inflicted against me. And if I speak out against this and use any critical thinking or show any nuance in how to address these problems, then I am a violent, oppressive racist.
Anyways...I’m rambling. I just think this is a very complex problem that can’t be solved with reductivism.
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:55 am to 4cubbies
Am I open to a real conversation? Yes. Is it possible in a larger setting? No.
I will give you and example. I lived next door to a black family for 4-5 years. Our children were young and about the same age, they played together on an almost daily basis. We enjoyed each family's company and dined together often. We were friends, normal friends. Our children were very close.
One day my daughter came home soooo excited and was jumping up and down because she found out her friend was from Africa. Some other girl in the neighborhood had referred to her as "African American". I had to explain to my daughter what that meant. She was very disappointed that her friend was not from Africa. She was also extremely confused about why the other girl put that type of label out there. For a while my daughter started calling herself "French American" as my family were/are French Canadians.
The Esters (our neighbors) moved away as he got a teaching job at Purdue (also congrats to him he has just been awarded a Fulbright Scholarship to go to Australia) and the years go by. I frend him of Facebook and he is now divorced. The other big change is he sees racism everywhere. I mean everywhere - like "Sir would you like you coffee black?" and his response would be "RACIST?"
Now, I am not sure what happened to him and don't pretend to know why or how he got what I would call radicalized, but he is not hte same person I used to have beers with 2-3 nights a week on one of our decks while we unwound.
Is there racism in the US? Absolutely. Is it everywhere in every shadow? No. There is a movement in this country that wants to see racism everywhere and is harming the eradication of true racism by crying wolf and watering down the word to mean anything a black person doesn't get or agree with.
I will give you and example. I lived next door to a black family for 4-5 years. Our children were young and about the same age, they played together on an almost daily basis. We enjoyed each family's company and dined together often. We were friends, normal friends. Our children were very close.
One day my daughter came home soooo excited and was jumping up and down because she found out her friend was from Africa. Some other girl in the neighborhood had referred to her as "African American". I had to explain to my daughter what that meant. She was very disappointed that her friend was not from Africa. She was also extremely confused about why the other girl put that type of label out there. For a while my daughter started calling herself "French American" as my family were/are French Canadians.
The Esters (our neighbors) moved away as he got a teaching job at Purdue (also congrats to him he has just been awarded a Fulbright Scholarship to go to Australia) and the years go by. I frend him of Facebook and he is now divorced. The other big change is he sees racism everywhere. I mean everywhere - like "Sir would you like you coffee black?" and his response would be "RACIST?"
Now, I am not sure what happened to him and don't pretend to know why or how he got what I would call radicalized, but he is not hte same person I used to have beers with 2-3 nights a week on one of our decks while we unwound.
Is there racism in the US? Absolutely. Is it everywhere in every shadow? No. There is a movement in this country that wants to see racism everywhere and is harming the eradication of true racism by crying wolf and watering down the word to mean anything a black person doesn't get or agree with.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:57 am to 4cubbies
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Honest and sincere question: are you interested in understanding the other side and alternative perspectives or do you think you already understand and thus are interested only in sharing your own thoughts? Are you open to possibility that you don’t understand everything about BLM and systemic racism?
Sure explain systemic racism in detail
Posted on 6/4/20 at 8:57 am to 4cubbies
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Do you believe you understand what systemic racism is?
Like how affirmative action and Title IX were designed to specifically remove white men from jobs and scholarships? That systemic racism?
The shite doesn't exist. Black people need to fix their own house before they bitch about everyone else causing their problems.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:00 am to 4cubbies
quote:It's a vague term and that's the way they like it. Anarchists thrive in obscurity and the argumentative and will tell you "it's complicated" and therefore never-ending. It can be whatever they want it to be - unless someone tells them they're full of crap.
systemic racism
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:00 am to 93and99
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:01 am to 4cubbies
To me Jim Crow laws, Apartheid, and institutionalized slavery are all examples of systematic racism.
I don’t think we have systemic racism in the the US now.
Do we have racists? No question we do. Evil lurks in the hearts of men and no law ever written is going to make society perfect. And no man should try and look into the heart of another man and judge him. Only God can do that.
I don’t think we have systemic racism in the the US now.
Do we have racists? No question we do. Evil lurks in the hearts of men and no law ever written is going to make society perfect. And no man should try and look into the heart of another man and judge him. Only God can do that.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 9:09 am
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:01 am to 4cubbies
I believe in systemic racism, absolutely. The same party responsible for Jim Crow laws (demonstrable, real systemic racism) and the KKK have been responsible for the running of the cities where schools are failing their students, police run rampant on power trips with little to no consequence from the DAs and AG, where strict gun laws (gun control was first devised against minorities) disarm the law abiding populace, and policies encourage greater hard drug use, greater welfare dependence, and a complete abrogation of any personal responsibility.
Now gee, I wonder what party that might be?
Now gee, I wonder what party that might be?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
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well i understand the concepts but nobody, even those promoting the idea, "completely" understand the concepts b/c they shift the goalposts and change what language means in order to keep having to have conversations. also, they aren't very good at articulating clear goals or policies and use grandiose, vague language like "equity"
It’s a complex issue and I’m not sure there’s a simple answer. It seems like most posters here think that everyone just needs to “try harder” and they can get out of poverty without acknowledging the various obstacles impeding this.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:09 am to 4cubbies
So, I am a racist because I believe ALL people should obey ALL laws! I believe arson, looting, vandalism, etc., are CRIMES and the perpetrators should be arrested! I don't believe Anarchists should be allowed to take over our country!
But I am a social activist if I state everything should be free!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I am a social activist if I state everything should be free!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:09 am to 4cubbies
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It’s a complex issue and I’m not sure there’s a simple answer.
Agree
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It seems like most posters here think that everyone just needs to “try harder” and they can get out of poverty without acknowledging the various obstacles impeding this.
Try harder =/= making better life choices. Don't have kids until you can afford them, finish school, don't waste money on drugs/alcohol, if you have a kid make sure it's in a 2 parent household. Are these ALL of the obstacles AA face? No, but it statistically gives you a much better chance to succeed.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:11 am to 4cubbies
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It’s a complex issue and I’m not sure there’s a simple answer. It seems like most posters here think that everyone just needs to “try harder” and they can get out of poverty without acknowledging the various obstacles impeding this.
I cant imagine being a young kid in poverty and constantly having authority figures(teachers) in my life telling me I may never get out of poverty, even if I try really hard. I cant imagine how soul crushing this is. This is tenfold worse the worst example of systemic racism you can find.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:13 am to 4cubbies
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Honest and sincere question: are you interested in understanding the other side and alternative perspectives or do you think you already understand and thus are interested only in sharing your own thoughts? Are you open to possibility that you don’t understand everything about BLM and systemic racism?
Systemic racism isn't based on opinion or feelings.
I'm always open to objective information.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:14 am to 4cubbies
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It’s a complex issue and I’m not sure there’s a simple answer.
You could have saved us a lot of posting by just saying “I have no idea, but I’ve read some stuff on Instagram.”
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:14 am to 4cubbies
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. It seems like most posters here think that everyone just needs to “try harder” and they can get out of poverty without acknowledging the various obstacles impeding this.
You’re creating a straw man. No one thinks you decide to do better and within some short period of time , everything will be rainbows.
However.
Everyone needs to quit making devastating life choices, and over several generations the black community will look an awful lot like every other community.
We know the impacts of those devastating life choices. We know the results of avoiding them. Those results are what the black community is looking for, so why don’t they start by making the choices and if there’s still an issue afterwards. We can look at it.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:16 am to Tiguar
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systemic racism is a meaningless buzzword used by white women to libsplain why poor black people stay poor and black despite being passed by 1st and 2nd generation immigrants who didn't even speak english when they came here from genuinely dirt-poor countries
Nice. Did you drop the microphone?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:17 am to 4cubbies
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It’s a complex issue and I’m not sure there’s a simple answer. It seems like most posters here think that everyone just needs to “try harder” and they can get out of poverty without acknowledging the various obstacles impeding this
Poverty and racism are not the same thing.
Systemic racism did keep a significant number of folks down. That can’t be denied. But we all know there are poor whites, blacks and Asians and it’s not because of systemic racism.
Discus the obstacles that keep generations poor, and racial bias would be one of them; however, there are many others that involve family, education, heritage, religious beliefs, and social more’s.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:20 am to 4cubbies
Yes, and there isn't shite I can do about it but live my life. Everyone of us is prejudged based on something, color, background, education, appearance, weight, clothing, you name it......shite is just what it is.
You teach your kids to control what they can control by getting educated, having social skills, respecting all, and you let the damn chips fall.
Life is not complicated and it is not fair but most of our misery is self chosen.
You teach your kids to control what they can control by getting educated, having social skills, respecting all, and you let the damn chips fall.
Life is not complicated and it is not fair but most of our misery is self chosen.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:20 am to 4cubbies
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Are you open to possibility that you don’t understand everything about BLM and systemic racism?
I had a multitude of middle class/upper middle class white women who have never set foot in 70805 outside of a MLK service day share a "what is systemic racism" video that was littered with misinformation, over generalizations, and was downright insulting to any African American - as the entire video implied that they couldn't be successful without some government intervention/assistance.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 9:22 am
Posted on 6/4/20 at 9:23 am to chateaublanc
quote:where does this happen?
cant imagine being a young kid in poverty and constantly having authority figures(teachers) in my life telling me I may never get out of poverty, even if I try really hard. I cant imagine how soul crushing this is. This is tenfold worse the worst example of systemic racism you can find.
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