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re: District Judge: Gun Ban For Illegal Immigrant Unconstitutional
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:01 am to choupiquesushi
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:01 am to choupiquesushi
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you are much closer to what you called me.
and then you follow this up with:
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illegals don’t get to own guns period.
SHALL
NOT
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Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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The constitution limits government power against everyone within our borders.
No it’s designed to protect Americans from the American government. If a foreigner is grieved he has diplomatic channels to work through via their consulate.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
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SHALL NOT
Does the constitution cover illegal immigrants?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:02 am to TrueTiger
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If you can't have your full citizens rights back,
is your debt ever fully paid?
Yeah I was trying to be reasonable so the gun-grabbers ITT didn't melt down.
I think once you're done you should be done.
I also think that we need more than a dichotomy of "felony" and "misdemeanor" to limit the effects of the conviction moving forward.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:02 am to WPBTiger
The hell. They are damn hostile invaders into our country. They are NOT citizens.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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So things like ruling felon in possession laws unconstitutional will follow shortly.
^
Point is salient.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:04 am to novabill
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Does the constitution cover illegal immigrants?
Yes
The Constitution is clear in which rights are limited to non-citizens, implying the rest remain for everyone in our country.
This hasn't been in dispute for like 150 years
James Madison
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But a more direct reply is, that it does not follow, because aliens are not parties to the constitution, as citizens are parties to it, that whilst they actually conform to it, they have no right to its protection. Aliens are not more parties to the laws, than they are parties to the constitution; yet it will not be disputed, that as they owe on one hand, a temporary obedience, they are entitled in return, to their protection and advantage.
If aliens had no rights under the constitution, they might not only be banished, but even capitally punished, without a jury or the other incidents to a fair trial. But so far has a contrary principle been carried, in every part of the United States, that except on charges of treason, an alien has, besides all the common privileges, the special one of being tried by a jury, of which one half may be also aliens.
This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 10:06 am
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:07 am to novabill
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Does the constitution cover illegal immigrants?
SCOTUS did open up Constitutional rights to apply to non citizens decades ago.
I think it was a mistake.
Being a U.S. citizen should be special.
It should be something meaningful.
Now not only does it have almost no meaning, it's a disadvantage.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:07 am to WPBTiger
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charged for being a non-citizen in possession for a firearm.
They should have indicted him on the illegal residence fact, not the
possession of a firearm' fact.
In general, I think anyone has the right to defend themselves with a firearm.
Now, If they are not supposed to be here, then send their arse home - with their firearm.
If you are going to tolerate their presence, then you have to tolerate their right to self defense
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:08 am to TrueTiger
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SCOTUS did open up Constitutional rights to apply to non citizens decades ago.
Since at least the 1800s
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
There are existing laws regarding illegals. Enforce them. We know each other, next time I run into you I will address your childish derogatory comment about me in person as you would never speak to me like that in person. In the mean time I will ignore your posts.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:43 am to WPBTiger
What good is an army of invaders if they can't be armed?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 10:57 am to WPBTiger
Just going to use this as fodder to attack honest gun owners. Kinda smart actually. Make sure illegals can have guns so they commit all kinds of crimes with them and then put the aftermath on the news. Strict rules for gun possession for the honest law-biding citizen, but let all kinds of shite slide for the illegal with a gun.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
Oh man. SFP on a roll today.
His sig quote is extra spicy and relevant here it seems.
His sig quote is extra spicy and relevant here it seems.
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My dedication to the truth is second only to my desire to crush your dreams
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The constitution limits government power against everyone within our borders.
So “We the people” doesn’t refer to the citizenry, but rather, everyone?
If so, then why are foreigners (illegal aliens) even deported…ever?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:40 pm to WPBTiger
Or we can just deport them back where they came from?
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:51 pm to WPBTiger
She was appointed by Obama. Liberals are attacking this nation at all angles. They will not like how country will turn out.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:54 pm to jimmy the leg
My question is this; laws (the constitution) are created to govern the government and citizens of the USA, how can a non citizen benefit from laws and constitutional rights in the USA?
In one hand, I’d say we have human rights that the first amendment outlines (freedom of speech, religion, protest, etc) but where do these rights end for foreign citizens? In the other hand, they are foreign citizens, who are not supposed to be here in the first place.
I am the strongest proponent of “Shall not be infringed”; I’m a strong proponent of constitutional carry laws, it’s the right of the citizens of the USA. But these are not citizens of the USA, who are here illegally! If we can’t trust them to follow laws, such as immigration laws, driving legally, etc. how can we trust law breakers to function in a civil society of laws?
However, this is an interesting situation.
In one hand, I’d say we have human rights that the first amendment outlines (freedom of speech, religion, protest, etc) but where do these rights end for foreign citizens? In the other hand, they are foreign citizens, who are not supposed to be here in the first place.
I am the strongest proponent of “Shall not be infringed”; I’m a strong proponent of constitutional carry laws, it’s the right of the citizens of the USA. But these are not citizens of the USA, who are here illegally! If we can’t trust them to follow laws, such as immigration laws, driving legally, etc. how can we trust law breakers to function in a civil society of laws?
However, this is an interesting situation.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:57 pm to jimmy the leg
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So “We the people” doesn’t refer to the citizenry, but rather, everyone?
"We the people" formed the government. That's all.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
See my quotes from James Madison (who knows a thing or 2 about the Constitution)
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If so, then why are foreigners (illegal aliens) even deported…ever?
Their presence in this country is not a fundamental right and the Constitution does not restrict this government action.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 12:59 pm to Load Toad
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Liberals are attacking this nation at all angles.
NEVER thought I'd see the day where posters on this board argue "liberals are attacking this nation" for a ruling protecting gun rights.
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