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re: Dismantling of Islam with Jay Smith
Posted on 4/28/26 at 12:52 pm to TulsaSooner78
Posted on 4/28/26 at 12:52 pm to TulsaSooner78
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So, if those two annihilate each other re Eschatological Scripture and "blood up to the bridle of a horse...", does that initiate Jesus's Second Coming? Both the above are passionately anti-Christ, as most other Religions and Secularist don't really care if Christians believe in fairy tales.
I don't completely understand your question. Can you clarify?
Muslims believe that Jesus is a "messiah", just not a divine one.
They believe he will return and team up with the 12th Imam to defeat the anti-Christ.
That was tongue in cheek, TS; just throwing mud on the speculative 'end times' wall.
Regardless, I would put Islamic belief re Jesus being "the only begotten Son of God" as being a hard no. I.e., in an anti-Christ grouping as it were.
I do believe that all Religions will be united via Truth, such Truth being Jesus Christ, one third of a Triune Godhead. Of course that is just belief; I, like many, await the Coming, and unambiguous truth therein. And the day that Humanity rises to meet its glorious and appointed destiny.
God speed, Brother.
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Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:27 pm to Mo Jeaux
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So who do Jews worship?
They deny Christ the Savior …
There’s no grey area , you are either
A) John 1:12 but as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: He’s referring to Jesus or
B) John 8:44 You are of your father the devil and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources for he is a liar and the father of it.
John 14:6 Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the father except through Me.
This post was edited on 4/28/26 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:34 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
That didn’t answer the question.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:40 pm to Mo Jeaux
Those that practice, worship God. Though the religion is split. Sadducee’s don’t believe in an afterlife. Pharisees believe in an afterlife.
Both groups follow Abraham’s god.
Both groups follow Abraham’s god.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:45 pm to TigerVespamon
I listened to this last night while driving.
It seems the Quran is a work of fiction and so is Mohammed.
Makes sense why it’s considered blasphemous to illustrate Mohammed since he never existed.
It seems the Quran is a work of fiction and so is Mohammed.
Makes sense why it’s considered blasphemous to illustrate Mohammed since he never existed.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:50 pm to dkreller
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It seems the Quran is a work of fiction and so is Mohammed.
FYI, the scholarly consensus is that Muhammad was a real person.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 1:54 pm to ApexTiger
Islam is a religion of inbred idiots. The average IQ in Muslim nations is around 80. Inbred and stupid.
This post was edited on 4/28/26 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/28/26 at 2:34 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
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Only Christians worship the God of Abraham , the one true God in 3 persons . Practicing Jews and Muslims do not. To say they do is heresy.
The Catholic church published a document in 1964 called "Lumen Gentium".
I linked the full text below, but here is the pertinent text:
Chapter 2, paragraph 16:
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The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.
Lumen Gentium full text
Posted on 4/28/26 at 2:41 pm to Meauxjeaux
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That’s just a genealogy, not a faith.
So you don't have faith in the words of the Old Testament? Are the words in the Old and New Testaments not the words of the god of Abraham?
It is laid out right there for you. It explains how the separation of Jews and Muslims as peoples came to be.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 2:46 pm to Mo Jeaux
Well the Quran does a pretty poor job of agreeing with the scholars.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 2:54 pm to dkreller
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Well the Quran does a pretty poor job of agreeing with the scholars.
How so?
Posted on 4/28/26 at 3:19 pm to TulsaSooner78
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That’s just a genealogy, not a faith.
So you don't have faith in the words of the Old Testament? Are the words in the Old and New Testaments not the words of the god of Abraham?
It is laid out right there for you. It explains how the separation of Jews and Muslims as peoples came to be.
That just lays out the separation of the people, not the faith.
Where's the old testament scripture where God says something to the effect of "I'll fix corruptions of the Bible with a new faith..." and/or some prophecies that would point to God needing to re-establish his followers via a next-up prophet after Jesus?
I guess I'm looking for something similar to the several hundred prophecies foreshadowing Jesus that would foreshadow Muhammad and Allah.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 3:24 pm to Meauxjeaux
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I guess I'm looking for something similar to the several hundred prophecies foreshadowing Jesus that would foreshadow Muhammad and Allah.
Why are you considering Allah as being different conceptually from Yahweh?
And you won’t find any such prophecies.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 3:25 pm to TulsaSooner78
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The Catholic church published a document in 1964 called "Lumen Gentium".
Thats called Universalism, another reason why I’m not in the RCC.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 4:05 pm to Meauxjeaux
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That just lays out the separation of the people, not the faith.
Where's the old testament scripture where God says something to the effect of "I'll fix corruptions of the Bible with a new faith..." and/or some prophecies that would point to God needing to re-establish his followers via a next-up prophet after Jesus?
I guess I'm looking for something similar to the several hundred prophecies foreshadowing Jesus that would foreshadow Muhammad and Allah.
I quoted the Old Testament verses that foretold of a group of people separate from the Jews that would always be at odds with the Jews. You chose to dismiss that. That is on you.
You still haven't addressed the question that was posed to you much earlier in this thread about who Maronites are praying to when they pray to Allah.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 5:05 pm to Mo Jeaux
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FYI, the scholarly consensus is that Muhammad was a real person.
But we don't have anything on Muhammad until 200 years after his death
the most complete documentary referenced today about Mohammad is 160 years old
Muslims say the bible is flawed....that's why they reject anything that suggest Jesus was devine...
they have an answer for everything
but their own "Holy Quran"...they trust fully has no supporting documentation...
it's wild what they believe...and when you challenge them on it, most of them get very testy
Posted on 4/28/26 at 6:04 pm to ApexTiger
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But we don't have anything on Muhammad until 200 years after his death
Well, that’s not true, but in this thread, you initially said 700 years. The first written hadiths generally were from around 80-100 years after Muhammad’s death (comparable to the timeframe of the gospels by the way).
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Muslims say the bible is flawed....that's why they reject anything that suggest Jesus was devine... they have an answer for everything but their own "Holy Quran"...they trust fully has no supporting documentation... it's wild what they believe...and when you challenge them on it, most of them get very testy
Well, yeah, because they believe in their religion. This is no different than those on this board who believe the Bible as the inspired word of God. How do you argue against that?
Posted on 4/28/26 at 6:37 pm to ole man
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Yep,,,, this guy obliterates Muslims, as they should be
Cat Stevens gonna fatwa his arse. Or whatever Yusef Hussein bin Ladin Khamenei goes by nowadays.
I will watch.
I think most average people regardless of religion or race do want to live in peace. However, when a religion is also a tyrannical political ideology and Taqiyya is a get out of jail free card for lying, cheating, stealing and conquering, then I have serious concerns for those who are a part of that religion.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 6:46 pm to ApexTiger
Christianity is led by a man that believes in Love and died for our sins.
Islam is led by a pedophile who raped his 9 yrold wife.
Pretty darn clear cut who is Satanic
Islam is led by a pedophile who raped his 9 yrold wife.
Pretty darn clear cut who is Satanic
Posted on 4/28/26 at 8:35 pm to ApexTiger
It is very good, indeed.
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