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Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:05 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:I read threads way more than post, so it's not hard to be observant and notice patterns. I keep tabs on posters and the way react to things, so you aren't anything special, just constant in these types of threads.
This is quite the scenario that you’ve set up for me in your head.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:09 am to HagaDaga
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I read threads way more than post, so it's not hard to be observant and notice patterns. I keep tabs on posters and the way react to things
Weird.
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just constant in these types of threads.
Wow! I’m in threads the subject matter of which I’ve already stated I’m interested in? That’s crazy!
You’ll be shocked to learn that I rarely if ever post in threads discussing things that I’m not interested in.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:24 am to Mo Jeaux
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I’m also familiar about theories about the non-existence of Jesus
I'm going to break this to you as gently as possible. There are pretty much NO serious scholars who debate the existence of Jesus. That's not to say that said scholars support His divinity, but the acceptance of a historical Jesus is a fait accompli. The rationalist movement that previously denied the existence of many historical figures just because they were mentioned in the Bible became a non-tenable position as completely secular work in various fields repeatedly proved.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:29 am to Crimson K
I don’t know what you mean by “serious scholars”, but I’ve already mentioned that the position does not represent a consensus, so you don’t have to break anything to me, gently or otherwise.
Also, the theories with which I’m familiar don’t take a position that a figure didn’t exist just because they’re mentioned in the Bible. Rather, they look for extrabiblical sources mentioning those figures.
Also, the theories with which I’m familiar don’t take a position that a figure didn’t exist just because they’re mentioned in the Bible. Rather, they look for extrabiblical sources mentioning those figures.
This post was edited on 4/28/26 at 9:30 am
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:35 am to Decatur
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Allah is the God of Abraham. The same god that Christians worship.
Muslims do not recognize the tetragrammaton as a legitimate name for God. Of course there is also the whole disagreement about Jesus thing....
I'll grant that a claim can be made in the same way that a cult like the Branch Davidians could claim to "worshipping the same God." There are some of the same window dressings, but theologically, the faiths are incompatible.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:39 am to BugAC
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You suck at history. Islam began nearly 700 years after the birth of Christ. Judaism began 3500 years ago.
Correct!
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:44 am to Mo Jeaux
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Whatever. What about the Maronites though? If they say a prayer to Allah, to whom are they praying?
John 14:6
“Jesus answered, ‘I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.’”
This is spoken by Jesus Christ during the Last Supper, as He’s preparing His disciples for His departure and assuring them of the way to God.
A few related scriptures that reinforce this truth:
?? John 14:7
“If you really know me, you will know my Father as well…”
?? Acts 4:12
“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
?? 1 Timothy 2:5
“For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus.”
What it means (in plain terms)
Jesus isn’t presenting Himself as a way—He’s saying He is the way.
Access to the Father (God) comes through a relationship with Him—through faith, not works or status.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:45 am to ApexTiger
Oh boy... Thanks for posting... I look forward to watching this after work, tonight.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:45 am to Crimson K
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Muslims do not recognize the tetragrammaton as a legitimate name for God. Of course there is also the whole disagreement about Jesus thing....
They’re still different religions.
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There are some of the same window dressings, but theologically, the faiths are incompatible.
They have much in common.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:47 am to ApexTiger
You could have just answered the question, but based on this then, Jews aren’t praying to God either.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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But in Judaism, they followed the same pattern of polytheism to monotheism that Islam did, so the distinction has no real difference.
Though there are some similarities, this is in fact not true. You can point to the idea that an individual (Abram and Mohammed) both got an individual visitation from a divine being from their own accounts, BUT the nature and response to those were quite different.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:51 am to Crimson K
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. You can point to the idea that an individual (Abram and Mohammed) both got an individual visitation from a divine being from their own accounts, BUT the nature and response to those were quite different.
I'm not talking about Abraham. I'm talking about the Canaanite breakoff population/sect that took the Canaanite polytheistic religion and, over time, merged the gods into Yahweh. That's how Judaism started.
Same as Islam, although Islam did have 2 predecessor monotheistic religions to piggy back which made it easier.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:59 am to Mo Jeaux
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I don’t know what you mean by “serious scholars”, but I’ve already mentioned that the position does not represent a consensus, so you don’t have to break anything to me, gently or otherwise.
Also, the theories with which I’m familiar don’t take a position that a figure didn’t exist just because they’re mentioned in the Bible. Rather, they look for extrabiblical sources mentioning those figures.
Look, I'm not trying to be contentious with you. You and other posters can have your fights, but I am not interested in playing that game. This is actually my area of study and expertise, so my intent is to bring that to this discussion. If you choose to take offense, that is up to you.
It's not just a matter of lack of consensus; there is pretty much zero reputable work in the field that discounts the historical veracity of a rabbi named Jesus who started a branch faith from Judaism, who was crucified and whose followers claimed to have seen resurrected.
The main reason for this consensus view is because of the volume of extra-Biblical sources. I am not putting forth a claim that this verifies the New testament account of Christianity, but I will counter any notion that there are any worth giving any credibility to that claim that Jesus never existed, which the original claim that I responded to.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:03 am to Decatur
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They have much in common.
OK. LSU and Alabama football have much in common too. but to support one is to oppose the other (I'm sure there are some small minority of crazies out there who claim to support both).
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:05 am to Crimson K
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Look, I'm not trying to be contentious with you. You and other posters can have your fights, but I am not interested in playing that game. This is actually my area of study and expertise, so my intent is to bring that to this discussion. If you choose to take offense, that is up to you.
You’re the one who seems to be taking offense.
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It's not just a matter of lack of consensus; there is pretty much zero reputable work in the field that discounts the historical veracity of a rabbi named Jesus who started a branch faith from Judaism, who was crucified and whose followers claimed to have seen resurrected. The main reason for this consensus view is because of the volume of extra-Biblical sources. I am not putting forth a claim that this verifies the New testament account of Christianity, but I will counter any notion that there are any worth giving any credibility to that claim that Jesus never existed, which the original claim that I responded to.
Would you describe Jesus as “starting a branch faith”? I don’t think that how he thought of his actions. What is the volume of extrabibilical sources that actually verify the existence of Jesus? The usual citations (e.g., Josephus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius) aren’t really that persuasive.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:07 am to Crimson K
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OK. LSU and Alabama football have much in common too. but to support one is to oppose the other (I'm sure there are some small minority of crazies out there who claim to support both).
That’s a bad analogy. A better one for the discussion that we’re having would be an LSU football fan claiming that Alabama doesn’t play real football because they’re a different team.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not talking about Abraham. I'm talking about the Canaanite breakoff population/sect that took the Canaanite polytheistic religion and, over time, merged the gods into Yahweh. That's how Judaism started.
That is a view that you can take, but it is no more provable than what the Jews would say themselves about how the worship of YHVH began. I'm sure Muslims would also disagree at your characterization of the beginning of Islam. IF you start from the position that any supernatural elements have to be discounted, then this is one fairly logical progression of thought, but it is not the only one.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:18 am to Mo Jeaux
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You’re the one who seems to be taking offense.
In what way? I am honestly asking.
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Would you describe Jesus as “starting a branch faith”? I don’t think that how he thought of his actions.
I would not, and I don't think Jesus would either, but we were talking about secular work in the academic field.
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What is the volume of extrabibilical sources that actually verify the existence of Jesus? The usual citations
You named some big ones. but how far back do you want to go?
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That’s a bad analogy. A better one for the discussion that we’re having would be an LSU football fan claiming that Alabama doesn’t play real football because they’re a different team.
The poster said that both religions share similarities responding to me saying they have the same window dressings but are incompatible belief systems. My analogy is apt. It is not a claim that they are not both religious belief systems. It is a claim that to support one precludes supporting the other, thus though they have the same trappings, they in fact support different institutions.
This post was edited on 4/28/26 at 10:30 am
Posted on 4/28/26 at 10:24 am to ApexTiger
if you like that type of content then you may like Godlogic, who tries to go to their mosque to debate their leaders. he goes into their communities all around the US and exposes what its like.
this one is time stamped to show what it looks like in a muslim run city of america (dearborn michigan). very sobering. godlogic is the darker black dude in the middle of the thumbnail.
can only embed one per post it looks like so here are more links.
the rest of these link are just Godlogic
Youtube Link
Youtube Link
also more on the topic of proving islam wrong:
https://www.answering-islam.org/
this one is time stamped to show what it looks like in a muslim run city of america (dearborn michigan). very sobering. godlogic is the darker black dude in the middle of the thumbnail.
can only embed one per post it looks like so here are more links.
the rest of these link are just Godlogic
Youtube Link
Youtube Link
also more on the topic of proving islam wrong:
https://www.answering-islam.org/
This post was edited on 4/28/26 at 10:37 am
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