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re: Death rates in Italy and the US are going in opposite directions?
Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:04 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:04 am to NYNolaguy1
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So you think I want this to be bad, people to die, at great cost to me because...?
It’s obvious that you (and other leftist) are hoping for worst case scenarios so Trump is politically damaged. We see your TDS through every chicken little post you’ve made over the last month. The ends justify the means for liberals like you. You’re more than willing to except a little pain in order to reach the long term goal of getting Trump out of office
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:05 am to Powerman
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It'll go down.
Logic would say that it will go up if anything
There are still a number of people that are in the treatment window (i.e. neither survived nor died, outcome unknown) not all of them are going to live.
Not everyone in the treatment window is going to die, either.
Since we are talking about percentages, math says that it will only go up if the percentage of people in the treatment window that die is greater than the current death rate. It is just as logical for the death rate to remain the same or lower as it is for it to increase.
As we learn more about how to combat the virus and as more testing is done for people with minor or no symptoms, the death rate should actually decrease.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:08 am to NYNolaguy1
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So you think I want this to be bad, people to die, at great cost to me because...?
I think you want to be right. You bought in hard at the beginning and now that it looks like it won’t be all that bad you are wishcasting. It is strange how important it is for you and others to feel like they have won an internet argument. Have a great day.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:16 am to RD Dawg
As has been said thousands of times on these boards... healthcare for all, national healthcare, single payer, etc... works great for day to day health needs. The problem is when something serious comes up.
No type of National healthcare can begin to handle a pandemic. Governments have too much red tape that extends down into the healthcare system. Money and funding is always an issue so they don't sit on large stocks of anything. They lack large numbers of equipment etc... etc... That is why if you get a biopsy in the UK you will wait 9 months for the results. This is common in these systems.
National Healthcare systems had no shot at combatting CV. NONE> Hope and Pray is their unspoken strategy. The U.S. private sector is meeting the call to arms. Believe that.
No type of National healthcare can begin to handle a pandemic. Governments have too much red tape that extends down into the healthcare system. Money and funding is always an issue so they don't sit on large stocks of anything. They lack large numbers of equipment etc... etc... That is why if you get a biopsy in the UK you will wait 9 months for the results. This is common in these systems.
National Healthcare systems had no shot at combatting CV. NONE> Hope and Pray is their unspoken strategy. The U.S. private sector is meeting the call to arms. Believe that.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:20 am to RD Dawg
italy said the average age of people dying were in there 80's..
plus they had some kind of junk going around in the early winter period...causing cases of Pneumonia
and they have socialized medicine
ignored suggestions to quarantine
they have a lot of people packed in one tight spot like Manhattan...
those are the factors
plus they had some kind of junk going around in the early winter period...causing cases of Pneumonia
and they have socialized medicine
ignored suggestions to quarantine
they have a lot of people packed in one tight spot like Manhattan...
those are the factors
Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:20 am to Powerman
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Logic would say that it will go up if anything
There are still a number of people that are in the treatment window (i.e. neither survived nor died, outcome unknown) not all of them are going to live.
It will go down. As soon as we get antiboby testing we will get a better picture of the mild cases that have gone undetected.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:43 am to NYNolaguy1
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You claim I have cheered this thing on, yet this board has thrown out nothing but denial and misdirection since this thing began because they don't want it to hurt Trump politically.
I have seen that people are “in denial” of the severity of the impact of this thing and it’s effect on the economy. It is absolutely a valid concern, we are about to throw $2T at this thing with no guarantee that it will even work.
This isn’t an all eyes in Trump event like so many seem to want to believe. Hundreds of decision makers are making an impact. So far it has been follow the leader but the time will come for someone to make a decision to get back to work.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:46 am to NYNolaguy1
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Per capita of what exactly?
Nice, play stupid when someone clearly asks a question that doesn't fit your narrative.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 7:52 am to Y.A. Tittle
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So, what’s the current theory on what’s going on there?
Frankly, I don't think they're able or willing to treat the extreme cases so they are doing a brutal triage for the most significant case.
If all you offer a 85-year old with comorbidities who needs a ventilator is oxygen, for example, going to get worse outcomes.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:01 am to NYNolaguy1
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They live longer because their older population is also healthier (or their healthcare system is better- you choose).
Stats from Italy from recent years regarding influenza and deaths in recent years. LINK
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In the winter seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17, an estimated average of 5,290,000 ILI cases occurred in Italy, corresponding to an incidence of 9%.
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More than 68,000 deaths attributable to flu epidemics were estimated in the study period.
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Italy showed a higher influenza attributable excess mortality compared to other European countries. especially in the elderly
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In recent years, Italy has been registering peaks in death rates, particularly among the elderly during the winter season
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corresponding to an estimated 54,000 excess deaths (+9.1%) as compared to 2014 (Signorelli and Odone, 2016), representing the highest reported mortality rate since the Second World War in Italy (UN, 2019).
Italy is about the last place I'd want to be in the developed world if I'm sick,elderly and it's Winter
Posted on 3/24/20 at 12:02 pm to NYNolaguy1
This is actually helping Trump politically. Over 60% approve of his handling of the situation and I can't wait for a Democrat to debate him and argue for socialized medicine.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 12:03 pm to RD Dawg
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It'll go down
Nope, Nola hospitals full next week, there will be a huge spike
Posted on 3/24/20 at 12:18 pm to NYNolaguy1
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You think they have 10x more cases than us? You know we will have more cases than them most likely with a few days, right?
Today Italy reported 5,249 more cases and an additional 743 deaths.
Per million Italy has 1,144 and the U.S. has 150.
Deaths: Per million Italy has 113 and the U.S. 2.
Our numbers will rise, but the rate of infected and dead isn't even close.
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