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re: Daily COVID Updated as of 11/2/20 8:00 PM

Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:14 pm to
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
Member since Dec 2008
13838 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:14 pm to
Awesome thanks! Like to see that trend down. Arlington had a death at a retirement home and hoping we don't see something similar to what happened in Seattle.
Posted by Mr Sausage
Cat Spring, Texas
Member since Oct 2011
15828 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:17 pm to
Yes, they said on the local news that they weren’t doing the drive through testing over the weekend in Houston. Guess, it’s not that big an emergency. Wtf.
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1794 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:21 pm to
Thanks for adding the log chart of deaths.
The way you superimposed the graphic is a very smart way to display the data.
Unfortunately, it is sobering to see the trend in deaths are still in alignment with the trend in cases. Really hoping that starts to tail off soon.
Posted by Tecate
Member since Nov 2012
1007 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:26 pm to
If they're only testing people with symptoms,the death rate is less important. If, as has been suggested, a large percentage of people do not show symptoms, it's possible that there is a growing number of "non-spreaders" in the population. Isn't this what we want?
Posted by ImaObserver
Member since Aug 2019
2513 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:27 pm to
What I find alarming is the ratio of "Recovered" cases to the number of total cases.

Recovery is exceedingly slow even for "Mild" cases and the death rate for the 14 day time frame 03/06 - 03/20 averages 1.7 "Deaths" for every "Recovery".

I pray that the ratio of 2.43 deaths to every recovery as exhibited on the 20th is an outlier and not an omen of a very long recovery time for existing and future cases.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40964 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:31 pm to
The recovery and serious case numbers are both probably not right.

Perhaps the powers that be aren't too concerned about those as they aren't all that important right now.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 5:32 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
129615 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:42 pm to
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I don’t agree at all but I wouldn’t trust the slow down. Weekend testing.


I would guess testing for the weekend is a lot lower. Deaths wait for no one. So hopefully we see good trends there.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
111555 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 5:50 pm to
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I would guess testing for the weekend is a lot lower. Deaths wait for no one. So hopefully we see good trends there


It’s hard to imagine such places really taking weekends off at this point.
Posted by nerd guy
Grapevine
Member since Dec 2008
13838 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 6:00 pm to
No kidding. They actually just opened two drive through testing locations in Dallas. They have restrictions to mild fever, 65 or older, or dart driver, or first responder, or a couple other things.
Posted by b rod lsu
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
4935 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 6:08 pm to
But would the weekend testing numbers not hit the daily statistics early the following week? Someone tested today won’t find the results today, right? So are these confirmed positive cases reflective of people who were tested a day (or days) ago?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
129615 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 6:31 pm to
Probably a day or so.
Posted by NorCali
Member since Feb 2015
1794 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 6:33 pm to
There is so much bias about how tests are done, i.e regional variability due to access, ordering bias (based on the fairly subjective criteria of "symptoms", etc), I personally think it is hard to make any conclusions about "non-spreaders", etc.
Of course, as the data matures and we see more than 2 weeks worth, a lot of these questions may be able to be addressed.
Unfortunately, the death rate is trending very closely to the case rate, and both are growing exponentially. And for me, death rate is a surrogate marker for "serious cases", meaning they probably have the same trend.

But to more directly answer your question, what we want to avoid is the wave that is coming that is going to overwhelm the hospital system with "serious cases" and take up beds that are needed for none COVID patients that have reversible illnesses that may not get the level of care they need. This is where there is a broad implication to our society. Imagine in 2 months time a 48 year old man has an acute heart attack and makes it to the hospital in time to be saved after initial clot busting treatment, but instead of being put in the critical care area, with very close monitoring, he is put in the general ward without close monitoring. Has another event in the hospital and dies because of lack of nursing to monitor. Or a 21 year old asthmatic that comes in with an acute exacerbation but dies because they can't get a nebs treatment while they are sitting in a chair in the halls of the ER because there are no beds and all the respiratory therapists are tending to COVID patients who are also in respiratory distress.

But your point about "non-spreaders" is valid. That is akin to the "herd immunity" theory. If more people had pre-existing immunity to this, than the spread would be slowed as they do not pass it on. This is what vaccination accomplishes. But it would appear based on the trends that there are not enough non-spreaders. Maybe that group is growing, but these tests trends (after only a few weeks) don't seem to indicate it.

Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18840 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 6:45 pm to
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Unfortunately, the death rate is trending very closely to the case rate, and both are growing exponentially. And for me, death rate is a surrogate marker for "serious cases", meaning they probably have the same trend.


This point is significant. We don’t know how many people out there have it. But you can be more confident that if someone dies from it, we know to a much higher degree. So that’s probably one of the most accurate metrics out there.

It’s trend is very telling. So there’s every reason to extrapolate that the spreading is on a similar curve. Or even more steep.
Posted by bogeypro
North Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4052 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 6:49 pm to
Word
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 7:04 pm
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8286 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 6:58 pm to
Bogey, let's discuss your comment on the data being inaccurate due to the sampling.

Are you saying that the data is understated due to the volume of undiagnosed nonsymptomatic people are out there walking around? If so, then I would absolutely agree with you.

I think this thing is spreading quickly due to the high R0 value this virus appears to have. We really haven't seen much real data around contagious this virus is. Based on how quickly it is spreading through the world, I think that when the smart people have time to look at this, this is going to end up being a highly contagious virus with a mortality rate of .5ish. That mortality rate will be higher for males and people with pre-existing conditions.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8286 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by bogeypro
North Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4052 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 7:04 pm to
quote:

Bogey, let's discuss your comment on the data being inaccurate due to the sampling.


Good stuff.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18840 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 7:04 pm to
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You can't say that the true death rate and case rate is trending together


Sure you can, Unless a huge cluster of weak/old people died that skew the numbers.

There’s lag sure. But we can reasonably assume that the people that died today were infected 10-14 days ago

So maybe we say it’s a reflection of how the cases spread 10-14 days ago.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 7:10 pm
Posted by bogeypro
North Alabama
Member since Sep 2012
4052 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 7:07 pm to
Got it. Thanks for clearing it up.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135363 posts
Posted on 3/21/20 at 7:15 pm to
Updated numbers on Worldometer.com now has a mortality rate of 1.2%, down .014% from earlier today.
This post was edited on 3/21/20 at 7:30 pm
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