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re: Coworker got the Moderna shots in February

Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:17 am to
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:17 am to
The vaccines don’t give you covid antibodies.

They give you vaccine antibodies.

You and your family are idiots who wasted their money.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted by mark65mc
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
11347 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:39 am to
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Idiot. There's no other way to say it. Anyone who calls it "gene therapy" is not to be taken seriously.


Moderna, in their own SEC filings, calls it gene therapy. I guess we shouldn't take them seriously.

https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000168285220000017/mrna-20200630.htm#i8ebe2c9c2ccd487c851f72dd23b1630b_121

Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
3830 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:45 am to
Its hiding in the bone marrow. Guerrilla warfare style.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6673 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:46 am to
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This is why positive cases are rising. Many people who got vaccinated early on are likely no more protected at this point than a non vaccinated person


What about hospitalizations?
Posted by Pelican fan99
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Jun 2013
35836 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:47 am to
I'm pretty sure vaccine antibodies and natural antibodies are not the same thing. The test is for natural only so they vaccine ones wouldn't show up
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
21079 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:50 am to
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Her and her husband both. This weekend they went to get the antibody test and neither of them have any Covid antibodies. 6 months and the vaccine is completely worthless


That's not how our immune system works. Our bodies don't keep producing antibodies absent the viral theat. However, our T and B cells remember the viral threat and will crank up production if the threat returns. Antibodies don't live forever.

Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
7523 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:52 am to
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You and are family are idiots who wasted their money.


What money? Or did you get yours on the street corner by the hooker you use?

Alabama, 98% of all deaths in the last six months have been non vaccinated.

The majority of patients in ICU beds and on ventilators are Non Vaccinated.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37024 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:56 am to
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T-cell immunity is more important but there is no data on vaccines and t-cell immunity.



You moron.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
36645 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:58 am to
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How many times must it be pointed out that antibodies ALWAYS disappear after a vaccination.


And yet somehow this argument is used against natural immunity.
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
5991 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 11:59 am to
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What money? Or did you get yours on the street corner by the hooker you use? Alabama, 98% of all deaths in the last six months have been non vaccinated. The majority of patients in ICU beds and on ventilators are Non Vaccinated.


Cool.

Now post the numbers for young healthy people
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
10293 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:00 pm to
Even crazy is losing patience.
Posted by tarzana
TX Hwy 6--Brazos River Backwater
Member since Sep 2015
27129 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:01 pm to
Did they get both doses of Moderna, one month apart?
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:03 pm to
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Post your medical degree since you know so much about how vaccines work


IF that were a requirement, Facebook and the Alphabet Networks would have nobody talking about Covid or the Vaax.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37024 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:04 pm to
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So the mRNA is transcribed within the cell creating a foreign protein that triggers the cell to notify helper T cells into action creating B cells from Plasma cells and cytotoxic T Cells from Memory T cells.


B cells aren't created from plasma cells. The memory T cell response is far more complicated.

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I think what is happening is the proteins being transcribed aren’t correct creating weak antibodies from the B cells with a slightly incorrect confirmation on their variable ends



Or they are created for one specific immunologic antigen tied to viral pathogenicity, which is why we see less severe disease in patients with the mRNA vaccination.

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This leads to the antibodies, when created after being exposed to COVID being hijacked into replication



This makes no sense.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17683 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:13 pm to
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6 months and the vaccine is completely worthless


Antibodies are not the end-all be-all of immunity. I saw a virologist the other day say he is against the 8 month booster being pushed by CDC. He says it is not unusual at all for antibody levels to decrease after several months. Antibody levels tell us nothing about helper T-cells, killer T-cells, etc.

In fact, watch the video and see what he (and another virologist) say about it. By the way, both of these people are professors of virology. The lady is a professor at Columbia. These aren't quacks.

Watch from 5 minutes to 10 minutes in for the full exchange about it.

Youtube
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:17 pm to
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These aren't quacks.


No, but they will be treated as such if they don't toe the company line.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
41099 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:21 pm to
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Her and her husband both. This weekend they went to get the antibody test and neither of them have any Covid antibodies.


Have they been exposed to any COVID ppl in those 6 months? If not then it’s not surprising that there are no circulating antibodies. The body responded to the vaccine and then the immune response went into the lymph nodes as memory cells ready to respond when they see covid again.

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This is why positive cases are rising. Many people who got vaccinated early on are likely no more protected at this point than a non vaccinated person


Incorrect
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
10293 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:21 pm to
They're not doing this just on antibodies. I think they're looking heavily at the Israeli data that shows increasing case rates with time from their vaccination.

Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:21 pm to
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Please post evidence of this. May be accurate, but I’ve never seen it.

The CEO of each vaccine, the FDA, the CDC, and the health officials from multiple governments have approved continued boosters. Is that evidence enough for you that this so-called vaccine doesn't produce memory cells for CoVID?

Also, the CDC specifically cited 3 studies, in which they used to OK the booster approval. That's proof, right?
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
27385 posts
Posted on 8/23/21 at 12:22 pm to
....but they have their papers, so doesn't really matter if it is effective.
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