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re: Court Rules 12-Year-Old's Mother Cannot Read Her the Bible, Take Her to Church

Posted on 11/29/25 at 1:14 pm to
Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
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Posted on 11/29/25 at 1:14 pm to
Have you actually read the details of the case? Turns out there is a lot more to it than what was in the OP's link.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11389 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 1:20 pm to
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So, in your view, it is totally acceptable for the court to favor Christianity over a non-Christian religion, but unacceptable for the court to favor one Christian denomination over another?


If you agree with the founding fathers, then yes it is.

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In his discussion of freedom of religion in his monumental Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, Father of American Jurisprudence Joseph Story clarified the meaning of the First Amendment with regard to the priority of Christianity:

[I]t is impossible for those, who believe in the truth of Christianity, as a divine revelation, to doubt, that it is the especial duty of government to foster, and encourage it among all the citizens and subjects….

Indeed, in a republic, there would seem to be a peculiar propriety in viewing the Christian religion, as the great basis, on which it must rest for its support and permanence, if it be, what it has ever been deemed by its truest friends to be, the religion of liberty.

Probably at the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration, the general, if not the universal, sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship. [I]t is impossible for those, who believe in the truth of Christianity, as a divine revelation, to doubt, that it is the especial duty of government to foster, and encourage it among all the citizens and subjects….






Story continues:

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the real object of the [First] amendment was not to countenance, much less to advance Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment which should give to a hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government(1833, 3:728, emp. added).


George Mason, the Father of the Bill of Rights, wrote:

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All men have an equal, natural and unalienable right to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that no particular sect or society of Christians ought to be favored or established by law in preference to others


So, yes, I agree with the founding fathers that Christianity is the supreme religion of the land, and that religious freedom as described in the Constitution was meant to make all Christians sects equal and above both judaism and islam.

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I never cease to be amazed by how much this place hates the US Constitution


Funny since you fail to understand the meaning of the Constitution.
Posted by RandRules
Member since Mar 2025
412 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 1:28 pm to
RelentlessAnalysis, would you still support this decision if the religion in question was Islam?
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 1:35 pm to
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RelentlessAnalysis, would you still support this decision if the religion in question was Islam?
Absolutely.

Regardless of whether it was the religion favored by the court, or the religion disfavored by the court.

Because the court, in that case, is the finder a fact as to what is in the best interest of the child.

What is NOT in the best interest of the child… Is for the two parents to be sniping at each other every alternating week by competing with one another for the child’s religious education.
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
1940 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 1:41 pm to
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When I saw that your link was from the Western Journal, a company with a long history of fake news
Says the person who quotes snopes, factcheck.org and Rolling Stone
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 1:46 pm to
Story came on the scene 25 years after ratification of the Constitution, in the height of the Second Great Awakening. No, I don’t give his opinions much credence as to what people were thinking 25 years earlier about the confluence of religion and government, when he was 10 years old.

I’m a Textualist. The document says what it says.
This post was edited on 11/29/25 at 5:10 pm
Posted by RandRules
Member since Mar 2025
412 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 2:18 pm to
You’ll get no argument from me.

If you don’t mind me asking, what would you classify yourself as politically and ideologically? I’m genuinely curious because I can’t really figure you out. You don’t seem like a left wing troll to me, more like someone who hates the hypocrisy of the right. I only ask to benefit you. If people knew this, you’d be better received
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63786 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 2:20 pm to
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If people knew this, you’d be better received


Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 3:37 pm to
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what would you classify yourself as politically and ideologically? I’m genuinely curious because I can’t really figure you out.
Center-Right with strong libertarian leanings. Rabid Textualist.

And I have no patience at all for Trump’s rudderless populism. Less for those who continue to buy his snake oil.

Here, I tend to analyze the facts as they are, rather than whining about what I wish they were. The perpetually-aggrieved martyrs do not like that.
This post was edited on 11/29/25 at 3:41 pm
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
23815 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 3:40 pm to
If you had told someone 15 years ago this would happen, they never would've believed it. Smh
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 3:43 pm to
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If you had told someone 15 years ago this would happen, they never would've believed it.
Those people would be extraordinarily uninformed.

Courts have been picking one parent or the other to direct the child’s religious education in failed mixed marriages for far longer than 15 years. More like 150 or more.
This post was edited on 11/29/25 at 3:57 pm
Posted by RandRules
Member since Mar 2025
412 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 3:56 pm to
I figured thats what you were. You took me for a libertarian. I’m a lot like you. Thanks for the reply and have a good day
Posted by ghost_rider10
JHS
Member since Nov 2025
469 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 4:04 pm to
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The entire court should be disbarred.


I mean… the liberals would have already murdered this cuck judge.
Posted by TinGym
Member since Jun 2016
3258 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 5:36 pm to
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Maine District Judge Jennifer Nofsinger 


Found the problem.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 5:43 pm to
Sounds illegal
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55329 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 5:44 pm to
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Goodbye Catholicism...


What's that supposed to mean?

Catholicism has been around since Pentecost Sunday. Is it your opinion that it's a cult?

Of course, this particular court would probably rule that it is, so, you are full agreement with this particular court here.

I concede the point. Both you and this court Hold that Catholicism is a cult.



This post was edited on 11/29/25 at 5:48 pm
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
AggieHank Alter
Member since Oct 2025
2968 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 5:47 pm to
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Maine District Judge Jennifer Nofsinger 
Found the problem.
Germans?
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
55329 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 5:49 pm to
"Nofsinger" is German for "stop singing".

"It's e-Nof singing, bitte schon."
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
7966 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 5:55 pm to
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What's that supposed to mean?

Oh lol, that if you hated groups with

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a 'charismatic' speaker, spoke 'authoritatively' in his messages, and that he asserted his messages were objective truth."


Goodbye Catholicism,

AKA they could have been describing the Catholic church as well if that was their criteria.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70789 posts
Posted on 11/29/25 at 5:57 pm to
Pure evil
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