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re: Church of England Priests Say Premarital, Gay Sex Not Immoral
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:53 am to Azkiger
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:53 am to Azkiger
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I guess that 45 year old life long pastor can take his masters in divinity and get a job elsewhere. I mean, he has a masters after all
I'm sure he's picked up skills along the way that will help him out, along with others helping find something. Wouldn't be the first time.
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:59 am to djmed
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most Anglican priests think church teaching should be brought into line with public opinion on moral issues.
Makes sense. The Church of England was founded specifically to allow the King of England at that time to divorce his wife. That church has always been based on the world and not based on the Bible.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:02 pm to djmed
This is why I respect Islam as a religion much more than Christianity. They do not let their beliefs sway with the whims of society. Christians have absolutely zero conviction as a whole
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:02 pm to djmed
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think church teaching should be brought into line with public opinion
That's not how this works, it's not how any of this works.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:09 pm to djmed
Fraudulent church.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:13 pm to Eli Goldfinger
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2 Peter 2:1
Keep in mind that Azkiger believes The Bible is hookum, so he'll dismiss that passage as us just reading into it what we want to see to fit our needs.
I got into it with him the other day when I said it was the most historical Book we have. Essentially our lines are I believe it's a book with real life truths that go back thousands of yrs, and I guess he just thinks it's the oldest fictional book in history. Which baffles me a bit as even fiction is based on current times, so still a historical text that goes back thousands of years.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:21 pm to hogcard1964
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It's really gay...to have gay...sex.
Well, yeah. By definition.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:24 pm to Flats
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That’s pragmatism, not morality.
Jesus: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
*seal claps*
Me: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"That's pragmatism! It's nihilism abandoning morality!
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It’s perfectly logical to steal if you think you won’t get caught...
Not necessarily, because you probably wouldn't want your neighbor stealing your shite every time he saw an opportunity to do so without getting caught. So it could be logical that you don't do that, because the more people that do the more likely it is to become socially acceptable and the more likely you are to get robbed.
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...people make that decision every day.
That doesn't make it logical, though.
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If you lived in another culture would you automatically adopt their moral code?
Considering every culture struggles with controversial issues where their populations are split with respect to what should be done (think abortion here in America), I'm not sure how to answer that.
What's the American culture value on abortion? It's close to 50/50 pro-life vs pro-choice. Many states ban it, many states allow it.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:25 pm to The_Boyg
quote:I'm curious where she got that standard from. Her own opinion?
I guess my mom is the ultimate arbiter on such matters. She always said, "it's a sin to have sex with someone you don't love." She didn't make a distinction between gay and straight sex, nor between marriage or being unmarried.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:28 pm to Azkiger
quote:It's not the "what" but the "why".
Jesus: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
*seal claps*
Me: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"That's pragmatism! It's nihilism abandoning morality!
Jesus taught the golden rule because it is based upon the 10 commandments which is based upon God's perfect and unchanging moral character.
Your version is based on your own pragmatic personal preference.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:29 pm to Loserman
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Churches have embraced sin
Satan and the fallen angels have infiltrated the churches.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:29 pm to djmed
The Anglican Church is not a legitimate church anyway.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:29 pm to Azkiger
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continuation of the human species rests on gay people having straight sex
No, but the propagation of the "gay gene" is certainly encouraged by the above.
Since human behavior largely rests upon genetics, gay behavior itself must have a genetic component.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:33 pm to KAGTASTIC
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Well people aren't gay by nature, but by choice.
Why would someone choose to be attracted to something that they're not naturally attracted too?
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With that said, what I do know is that the continuation of the human species only happens via hetero sex.
But you went beyond that, saying that society accepting homosexuality would lead to it's downfall because homosexuals couldn't reproduce.
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The normalization of homosexuality and other perverse sexual behaviors, especially at an early age, will increase our societies birth rate issues.
Sure, if it's commonplace for people to choose to do things they don't naturally like to do.
Do you watch movies that who's trailers disgust you?
When you load up pandora, do you select channels you know you'll hate?
I'm just not buying the idea that there are heterosexuals out there that find their own sex disgusting, but are choosing to sleep with them because Will and Grace was a TV show.
I've seen a lot of gays on TV, gay marriage has been legalized for a while, and the idea of seeing another man naked has not become more appealing to me in the least.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:34 pm to FooManChoo
Well, she's my mom... I didn't question her judgement
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:36 pm to FooManChoo
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...which is based upon God's perfect and unchanging moral character.
Wouldn't there be some sort of underlying rationale, even if it's beyond out understanding, as to why God's character determines some things moral and other things immoral?
There is a common through line with not murdering, assaulting, raping, stealing, etc., after all.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:44 pm to djmed
Loophole about to be offical
Posted on 8/31/23 at 12:44 pm to djmed
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Church of England Priests Say Premarital, Gay Sex Not Immoral
The Church of England is not the Church of God.
In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God.
Heaven and Earth will pass away but my words will never pass away.
Gods rule is not a democracy. 100% of the Church of England can want to have butt sex but God said it's an abomination to him and you shall not and remain in covenant with Him.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 1:02 pm to Azkiger
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"That's pragmatism! It's nihilism abandoning morality!
I don't understand how you keep getting this wrong. I'm telling you that when you adopt a moral code you're NOT being a nihilist, you're acting exactly like the religious people you claim aren't rational.
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I'm not sure how to answer that.
I'm not surprised. I'm pretty sure there are cultures that I could plant you in the middle of and you wouldn't WANT to adopt their morality. If it's really what you claim, just a pragmatic system so people can function, that doesn't make any sense. If fitting into that culture meant little girls get clitorectomies you shouldn't have an issue with that becaus those are the rules that culture has decided on.
It's that WANT above that's the problem for the atheist. I would imagine there are some things you just think are wrong, and it doesn't matter what percentage of the population disagrees with you.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 1:04 pm to TBoy
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TBoy
I rarely agree with you, but this is a great point
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