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re: Can dignity exist in a capitalist society?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:42 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:42 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
Society needs inmates for free/cheap labor so we arrest people for silly reasons or fabricate reasons to arrest them to ensure we will have a continuous influx of free/cheap labor.
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Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:42 pm to 4cubbies
So many roads, so much at stake
Too many dead ends, I'm at the edge of the lake
Sometimes I wonder what it's gonna take
To find dignity
Too many dead ends, I'm at the edge of the lake
Sometimes I wonder what it's gonna take
To find dignity
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:44 pm to 4cubbies
You'd enjoy this woman. She's a good follow if you want anti-empire musings.
I'm not smart enough to argue about capitalism/socialism/communism. I think capitalism is how we advance society. That said, I think we have some real problems with our monetary system. A debt-based infinite growth paradigm is fundamentally a pyramid scheme and built to collapse.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. I'm not smart enough to argue about capitalism/socialism/communism. I think capitalism is how we advance society. That said, I think we have some real problems with our monetary system. A debt-based infinite growth paradigm is fundamentally a pyramid scheme and built to collapse.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:49 pm to 4cubbies
quote:You do.
Who cares about some random dude?
His argument is why you are engaging this.
Understanding the misogynist basis for (at least some) of the argument will be important should you choose to re-engage the guy at some point. If you have that capacity, and believe he's wrong, it's important for your younger classmates to register appropriate pushback. Your teaching instincts should tell you that.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:56 pm to 4cubbies
Don't get sucked in by Marxist professors. It's just a mind-frick that leads to economic failure and suffering.
Common quip by Soviet workers, "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
You can visit Cuba to see the results.
Common quip by Soviet workers, "They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."
You can visit Cuba to see the results.
This post was edited on 12/6/24 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:57 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
His argument is why you are engaging this.
I’m interested in discussing the question, not the person who asked the question.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
I would say your options are the same in a purely capitalist society as you are in a communist society
work or die.
But i would rather decide where and when to work than be machine gunned in an alley.
So I choose capitalism vs communism, but I think social programs in a capitalist society are the best compromise between the 2.
work or die.
But i would rather decide where and when to work than be machine gunned in an alley.
So I choose capitalism vs communism, but I think social programs in a capitalist society are the best compromise between the 2.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:00 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:. Absolutely.
A debt-based infinite growth paradigm is fundamentally a pyramid scheme and built to collapse.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:01 pm to SammyTiger
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I would say your options are the same in a purely capitalist society as you are in a communist society
I’m not arguing for communism or socialism or any other economic system. I’m just wondering if human dignity can be respected in a capitalist society.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Rog, remember Obama's infamous rhetorical about Trump's promises to jumpstart the economy, "What's Trump going to do? Wave a magic wand?"
Happened in 2018 and 2019.
The joke was Trump actually had the magic wand Obama mused about. The economy took off. Inflation barely exceeded 2%.
Yet the Fed raised rates EIGHT (8) times finally slowing the economy in 2019. It was as patently stupid as the Fed's 2021 proclamation of transient inflation.
Tariffs had not a damn thing to do with that. In fact, many tariffs were never levied as our counterparties agreed to open markets, and fair trade measures. China was a different situation of course. Tariffs were implemented. But China subsidized its exports for a while hoping to minimize tariff effects on consumer costs during the remainder of Trump's presidency.
Biden left those tariffs in place.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:31 pm to 4cubbies
quote:
human dignity
Define this first. Then tell me if human dignity exists as a natural state independent of an economic system. Does a lion care about human dignity?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:33 pm to 4cubbies
quote:The question is a premise fallacy originating from the person who asked it.
I’m interested in discussing the question
In similar terms, he might say, "Since the beginning of time, people tried to prove that God exists. But no one has been successful. Therefore, God does not exist." Again, a foundationally false premise.
The question inversely equates freedom with dignity. It erroneously insinuates outcome egality as proportional to self-worth or self-respect.
Is everyone entitled to an identical outcome?
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:42 pm to SidewalkDawg
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Does a lion care about human dignity?
Depends on if it's tasty human dignity it's dining on.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:51 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:are you saying its Al’s ways appropriate to discuss the person who asks a question instead of the question?
Ideas don't exist without people.
You’re right, you have engaged a lot in the actual discussion. I’ve enjoyed that.
I had to take a class this guy happens to teach. I didn’t choose to take a class he teaches. I don’t know a ton about him. He’s not a friend of mine. Whatever accusations people are making about him don’t really have anything to do with anything. Y’all seem to care about this guy more than I do. I don’t find him that interesting.
It never crossed my mind to ask him a bunch of questions about his life and other ideas to answer the question of whether or not dignity can exist in a capitalist society. I just don’t see the connection.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:53 pm to NC_Tigah
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The question inversely equates freedom with dignity.
I don’t think it does. It equates material value with dignity.
quote:
Is everyone entitled to an identical outcome?
“Entitled” is an interesting word choice. Who would ensure the outcome? God? Like is everyone entitled to good health or a long life? Humans can’t provide that for each other.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 2:56 pm to 4cubbies
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are you saying its Al’s ways appropriate to discuss the person who asks a question instead of the question?
It's always important to understand the premise and context of a question, and that is almost always tied to the person asking the question.
I didn't read the whole thread, but for example, your definition of dignity is critical to answering your question. If we find out that you think dignity means everybody enjoys identical life outcomes, then your persona is very important to the topic.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Read the link I posted a few pages back from the Milton Friedman speech that specifically addresses these concerns about differing international systems and why maintaining a capitalist, free system becomes even more important to take advantage of these systems to our benefit.
I bookmarked it to read later but I have feeling I know the article and I in theory agree with Friedman The problem for me is in the new blended economics many of the countries Friedman often referenced in these discussions have corrupted capitalism to fit their specific political motives. We no longer face powerhouse communism on the economic front it’s a tight edge to stand on but Practical application of capitalism differs wildly in today’s reality. Tariffs aren’t a solution but a short term tactic used to play the game in hopes of leveling the deck..
Tariffs as a long term strategy and policy should never be the goal
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:02 pm to 4cubbies
quote:You ever hear of Siberia?
Society needs inmates for free/cheap labor so we arrest people for silly reasons or fabricate reasons to arrest them to ensure we will have a continuous influx of free/cheap labor.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:04 pm to TROLA
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The problem for me is in the new blended economics many of the countries Friedman often referenced in these discussions have corrupted capitalism to fit their specific political motives. We no longer face powerhouse communism on the economic front it’s a tight edge to stand on but Practical application of capitalism differs wildly in today’s reality.
He addresses exactly what these countries are accused of, primarily subsidizing their production to lower prices in order to increase exports.
This means these countries are financing a way for Americans to both spend more on imports and keep their exports more valuable. It's a double victory.
The cost is inefficient domestic production, which was dying anyway.
He also addresses the "national security" aspects that have become a meme today.
Posted on 12/6/24 at 3:05 pm to 4cubbies
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4cubbies
The people who bitch about capitalism are the people who suck at it. They are poor because they have no sense of personal responsibility. They live in the mos t prosperous country to ever exist, yet blame everyone else for why they have been left behind.
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