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re: Body Cam Footage of MN Shooting
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:49 pm to skullhawk
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:49 pm to skullhawk
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I gotta imagine trying to cuff him by the open car door with the car running isn't by the book either
This was my first thought on watching the video.
Direct the driver to turn the engine off
Get the driver out of the car
Walk him to the back of the car
Cuff him
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:49 pm to BamaGradinTn
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What restricted area was the dude breaking into?
So entering a restricted area unarmed and nonviolent is a call for lethal force? So if cops pulled up and started shooting all of the looters at that Nike store last night you would have been okay with it?
You can just come out and say you are okay with Babbit being shot because she was conservative. At least that way you don't have to keep twisting yourself into pretzels to make these asinine justifications.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:49 pm to Wolfhound45
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:50 pm to theunknownknight
The article states, “The black man who was killed during a traffic stop”. Articles used to always say the suspect, or the victim. Media makes me sick.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:51 pm to ChuckO1975
quote:I was just trying to figure out how you could be so shallow-minded as to think women have no place in law enforcement.
No, my experience with law enforcement was interagency. Local, state, and federal, foreign and domestic.
Can we cut to the chase here? What point do you want to discuss?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:53 pm to 91TIGER
Has anybody reported on what brand of shoes the officer was wearing?...
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:58 pm to geauxturbo
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Kid, just take the ticket and maybe a little jail time. If you have a warrant, why the hell are you driving with expired tags. Jesus.
Darwin Award Winner
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:59 pm to 91TIGER
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A poorly trained and panicked female officer pulled weapon instead of tazer.
A good friend of mine at BRPD almost shoot a kid during a hostage stand-off the exact same way. He refuses to wear a taser now.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:59 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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I was just trying to figure out how you could be so shallow-minded as to think women have no place in law enforcement
Fat lazy slobs who start hyperventilating just talking into their porkchop mics don't have a place in "law enforcement" either and it embarrasses me greatly that any government at any level would pay women and worthless slobs to represent the law.
I suspect you might be particularly offended by that notion too.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:59 pm to OccamsStubble
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Direct the driver to turn the engine off
IF the plate came back stolen, switched, to a known criminal, it would have been done w/ the PA system before officer exited (not sure on their policy).
If they identified him upon approach they probably didn't want him reaching, just exit vehicle where they can see his hands.
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Walk him to the back of the car
It seems the officer knew he was going to arrest him and didn't want to give him any space.
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Cuff him
This is where it went wrong, should have taken him down ASAP when he first resisted. Problem is they're in MN, can you imagine tackling a 'black' suspect that doesn't a follow commands ?! It was a bad set up made worse by an officer that didn't belong on the job. She'll be the one that suffers the most b/c let's be honest, the world is a better off w/o Daunte. His day of reckoning was coming sooner than later.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:01 pm to HeadSlash
quote:Our department (and a lot of others) originally allowed your ECD to be worn on your strong hand hand side. Then they said it has to be on your off-hand side, but it could be used in a cross-draw scenario. Now, it has to be worn as to be drawn by your off-hand only.
A good friend of mine at BRPD almost shoot a kid during a hostage stand-off the exact same way. He refuses to wear a taser now.
Not sure how many other agencies have picked up that method though.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:01 pm to 91TIGER
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This is where it went wrong, should have taken him down ASAP when he first resisted. Problem is they're in MN, can you imagine tackling a 'black' suspect that doesn't a follow commands ?! It was a bad set up made worse by an officer that didn't belong on the job. She'll be the one that suffers the most b/c let's be honest, the world is a better off w/o Daunte. His day of reckoning was coming sooner than later.
Everything that should ever need to be said about this incident is probably contained in the above.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:06 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
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it has to be on your off-hand side, but it could be used in a cross-draw scenario.
This is the way it should be taught/used IMO. Cross draw from the opposite side of your weapon. It becomes muscle memory and instinctive. Placing it on your duty rig on the same side of your weapon is a recipe for what you see in the body cam footage, disaster.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:08 pm to rb
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This shite is going to continue to happen until black people teach their children to comply with law enforcement.
They never will. Cause the family gets paid millions if the son resists and causes an incident.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:11 pm to 91TIGER
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It seems the officer knew he was going to arrest him and didn't want to give him any space.
Agree. But leave the car running? Leave the car door open?
Why look back at your partner for assistance? You have a perp, and you have cuffs, and you have cause. Why the hesitation?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:13 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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Interesting alternate reality hypo: she didn’t scream “taser taser taser” and instead shot him while he was fighting and reaching for the unknown in his vehicle. In both scenarios, he’s doing the same thing and gets killed. Only one scenario makes her look undertrained and negligent.
Yeah that's absolutely true.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:14 pm to ChuckO1975
quote:We agree to the bolded part, that's for sure.
Fat lazy slobs who start hyperventilating just talking into their porkchop mics don't have a place in "law enforcement" either and it embarrasses me greatly that any government at any level would pay women and worthless slobs to represent the law.
I suspect you might be particularly offended by that notion too.
And I'm not offended, this is simply a case of "you don't know what you don't know." Because when you get dispatched to the ER to take the initial call for some 6 or 7 year old girl who was brutally raped by some piece of shite, it's a lose/lose situation. The family is mess, the poor kid is despondent, and you can forget getting her to open up to you.
Our women (and men) that worked our sex crimes and SV cases were some amazing combination of magician and super hero. As a result of their training and experience, they knew how to relate to that tender, innocent angel who had been taken advantage of by some oxygen thief.
So saying that you don't think women belong in law enforcement might make you feel cool and edgy, it is at best uninformed and at worst flat-out ignorant.
And that's a good thing. It's good that there are those that are unaware of that side of it, because it's truly awful shite.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:17 pm to OccamsStubble
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Agree. But leave the car running?
I covered that above.
quote:
Leave the car door open?
It's a tough call, he could reach w/ his leg and shut the door, but he probably wanted to cuff him as quickly as possible while not tipping him off. The problem was at the onset of the cuff application, when he resisted he should have been taken down to the ground. He must have known his criminal history (and had a warrant for a firearm) and was resisting. Again, covered above, MN and a bad political climate to do policing in.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:18 pm to 91TIGER
quote:I prefer the off-hand approach myself, but cross-draw is better than gun side for sure.
This is the way it should be taught/used IMO
I had a drop-leg platform on my off-hand side and that's were my X26 container was. I always thought that in this configuration, if I was on the ground with a bad guy on top of me I can trap my pistol with my strong hand and draw/use the Taser with my off-hand.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:18 pm to catholictigerfan
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How would the situation have played out differently if she didn’t have a taser and was only able to use her gun?
Tasers never seem to work like they should.
Ehh, you probably only hear about the instances that they don't. They have been used very effectively in thousands on instances, have reduced deaths and injuries for cops and criminals, and are a great deterrent much of the time. Cops aren't perfect and shite like this will happen from time to time. There is no amount of training that will prevent it. You can make cops train 8 hours a day and not be on the streets but errors will still occur, especially with the non-compliant criminal variable fighting them at every turn.
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