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re: Body Cam Footage of MN Shooting
Posted on 4/12/21 at 1:58 pm to ChuckO1975
Posted on 4/12/21 at 1:58 pm to ChuckO1975
quote:The question isn't if it's better to be strong - the question is if any detectable loss in ability to subdue has been recorded due to not merely optimizing to maximize strength. There are other vectors of police work than just brute strength and I doubt we should be sorting just for that one variable.
data supports strength over weakness every time
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 1:58 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Any data to back this up other than anecdotally glomming on to an extreme outlier event?
Actually, I do. Here is your Science! link, fig.
quote:
We test the hypothesis that law enforcement agencies that have a larger share of female officers should experience lower rates of police use of deadly force. We use the Law Enforcement Management and Administrative Statistics 2013 survey of police and sheriff departments (N?=?1,983). We measure police-involved violence as the number of civilians killed by law enforcement officers from 2013 through 2015 as reported by the website Mapping Police Violence. Using a variety of empirical estimators to take into consideration the structure of the distribution of police-caused deaths, we find consistent results that a higher share of female officers is associated with a higher likelihood of police-caused deaths
Posted on 4/12/21 at 1:59 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
quote:Because he was hit in the head does not mean the officer was aiming for the head.
I get all that. But in the post I asked that question was in reference to a poster who said a cop mistakenly pulled his gun instead of his tazer, and shot the perp in the head. Meaning he was actually aiming for the guy's head. I would think you'd aim center mass of the body and then yeah, those little suckers will fly where they want.
There's a shootout that happened between a pair of officers and a couple of the "sovereign citizen" yahoos (though maybe they were white separatists...whatever).
Anyway, dozens of rounds were exchanged...no one was hit. I think several of the officers' rounds hit the pavement about 6 feet in front of them. This is due to the panic and adrenaline dump and you start squeezing off rounds as you're bringing weapon up.
Fine motor skills are the first to go in a high-pressure situation, and officers aren't immune to that.
In short, I wouldn't be surprised if that officer would have believed he was aiming center mass but a heart rate through the roof, tunnel vision, etc. played a bigger role than he wanted them to.
That's all I'm saying.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 1:59 pm to BamaGradinTn
quote:
What restricted area was the dude breaking into?
He ran back to his vehicle and was inside, within a 1 foot reach of a gun under his seat, on the side of his seat, in his console, or in his glove box. Oh, and the warrant he was being detained for was an illegal weapons charge.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
The question isn't if it's better to be strong - the question is if any detectable loss in ability to subdue
There is no question about this. It's better to be stronger than it is to be weaker, and this is no exception. This tedious analysis you are attempting to do borders on the insane.
Think about what you're asking. Women and men can't even wrestle in the same classes, but you think it's possible that there would be a negligible difference in performing an arrest on male perps?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:03 pm to 91TIGER
Another person shot due to his actions and not the color of his skin.
And
She doesn’t need to be a policewoman.
And
She doesn’t need to be a policewoman.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:04 pm to PickupAutist
quote:
Actually, I do. Here is your Science! link,
Well, Big Tx thinks that guns can compensate for physical weakness, and the studies seem to indicate that women simply have to shoot men more often because it's clear they can't force compliance with their physical strength if necessary.
Whew. Smoked every cell in my brain trying to figure this one out.
I actually want to be clear here:
Big Tx doesn't actually believe there is a practical reason for his "critique", he just needs some way to defend liberalized society, so here we are teaching a grown man how to suck eggs instead of talking about the real problem: this woman should be safely at home raising beautiful kids and now she's shooting thugs and facing jail time. frick liberalism.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:05 pm to PickupAutist
quote:
we find consistent results that a higher share of female officers is associated with a higher likelihood of police-caused deaths
this make total sense,
Women cops are often going to feel outclassed physically when confronted by a large or fit male, so of course they would naturally gravitate toward their equalizer (firearm) a little sooner than a male cop might.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:06 pm to UcobiaA
quote:
How do you mistake your pistol for a taser?
This is what happens when you defund the police. Shitty training. Good cops not wanting to be cops anymore, so you settle for folks who probably shouldn't be cops. Bad decisions made.
Nobody could've predicted this would happen. Except for everyone not screaming "ACAB" last year did predict stuff exactly like this.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:07 pm to TrueTiger
quote:
Women cops are often going to feel outclassed physically when confronted by a large or fit male, so of course they would naturally gravitate toward their equalizer (firearm) a little sooner than a male cop might.
There are few things that protect life better than a overwhelming exertion of control over a potentially dangerous person. Period. It protects everyone.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:07 pm to ChuckO1975
quote:You are casually implying that it's open-and-shut that having all-male police forces is optimal. I have a hard time believing that. That is not the same thing as saying women are as strong as men. But policing involves much more than simply subduing suspects. Think about what you're saying.
There is no question about this. It's better to be stronger than it is to be weaker, and this is no exception. This tedious analysis you are attempting to do borders on the insane.
Think about what you're asking. Women and men can't even wrestle in the same classes, but you think it's possible that there would be a negligible difference in performing an arrest on male perps?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:07 pm to 91TIGER
What will it take for mother’s who raise their fatherless kids to not break the law and resist arrest after?
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:07 pm to Abraham H Parnassis
quote:
In short, I wouldn't be surprised if that officer would have believed he was aiming center mass but a heart rate through the roof, tunnel vision, etc. played a bigger role than he wanted them to.
That's all I'm saying.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:09 pm to 91TIGER
if any of us accidently shot and killed a person we would go to jail. Need the same standard for cops. A guy accidentally shot a girl while he was trying to un-jam her gun and they charged him.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:10 pm to lsuson
quote:
And the pic of the 20 year old is the only one they could find that shows him looking normal. The rest he's got money all around him, hold guns, etc. SMH
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:10 pm to arcalades
How would the situation have played out differently if she didn’t have a taser and was only able to use her gun?
Tasers never seem to work like they should.
Tasers never seem to work like they should.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:10 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
You are casually implying that it's open-and-shut that having all-male police forces is optimal
It is. Case closed.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:11 pm to indianswim
quote:Things like this have been going on since waaaaaaaaaay before the defund movement, but I get your point.
This is what happens when you defund the police
It sounds like she wasn't a rookie, and I have no way of knowing about her history in this career.
I think it's a combination of poor training, nerves, the situation she was in and the current social climate of the country (specifically toward the police).
I'm willing to pull all of that back if it turns out she has a history of dumbassery.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:11 pm to 91TIGER
quote:
Wouldn't have happened if he would have COMPLIED though, usually the case in all of these scenarios.
This is very, very true, but does not mean this "officer" soon to be former officer should not face the consequences of her actions.
If a Navy SEAL warrior faces courts martial and what not for mansluaghter or worse when he violates the ROEs there is absolutely no reason the police walking our streets shouldn't be help accountable.
This woman is labeled a "very senior" officer. She needs to be removed. Doesn't really matter her seniority level she grabbed her weapon instead of her tazer - stupid, murderous mistake.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:12 pm to catholictigerfan
quote:
How would the situation have played out differently if she didn’t have a taser and was only able to use her gun?
Would have played out better if she was at the park with her kids. That's the real issue in this equation.
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