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re: Biden blowing up the pipeline would do more to fight "globalism" than anything Trump

Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:21 pm to
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:21 pm to
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The Great Reset could also be called The Great Redistribution, because that's the real theory behind it.


Like some countries raising taxes? The real evil hath shown it’s face.
Posted by LetsgoGamecocks
Member since Sep 2014
2916 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:26 pm to
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When has NATO acted with aggression without UN approval?


By surrounding Russia with new members like Sweden and Finland. Putin has said the entire time that those new memberships were threatening. They have Russia boarders completely surrounded now.

Also to note I along with others don't have any confidence in the UN.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
70538 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:30 pm to
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Like some countries raising taxes?


To me, the great reset appears to be a bundle of policies which together make certain tenets of middle class life unaffordable for most people. These policies, usually made in the name of sustainability and climate change despite doing nothing to materially effect either, serve to arbitrarily inflate the costs of goods in key industries like: food, timber, fuel, energy, medicine, and housing. The end result will be a population with far less economic, physical, or social mobility more subject to the whims of an authoritarian government with far far less leverage or levers of power at their disposal.

Now, if one digs deeper, these movements don’t just seem to be geared at making A/C and road trips unaffordable, but at arbitrarily reducing the carrying capacity of the Earth and inducing a sort of mandated Malthusian crisis. This could result in billions of deaths. While this seems crazy, I see terrible terrible policy being pushed every day by the same cast of characters.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:32 pm to
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By surrounding Russia with new members like Sweden and Finland.


Which would never have happened until Russia invaded.

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Putin has said the entire time that those new memberships were threatening.


So? He made the security situation he wanted.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:35 pm to
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Like some countries raising taxes?

It's a bit more than that. The redistribution is economic/financial as well as in authority.

There is a reason the UNSC actually runs the UN. Have you seen the insane stuff they pass as resolutions? Or, hell, look at FIFA.

There are lots of countries who have no real populations or power who would love a system where they had as much say as the US or UK.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:36 pm to
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By surrounding Russia with new members like Sweden and Finland

That's not aggression. When did NATO enter into Russia? THAT is aggression, in your example.

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Putin has said the entire time that those new memberships were threatening.

That's irrational to the point of being idiotic for anyone who parrots that point.

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Also to note I along with others don't have any confidence in the UN.

Uh, Russia has veto power via UNSC. The only times NATO was permitted to be the aggressor was without Russian objection. They could have vetoed it in any of the examples you care to cite of NATO using its military aggressively.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 2:38 pm
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:39 pm to
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That's not aggression. When did NATO enter into Russia? THAT is aggression, in your example.


JFK would disagree, as well as most of this nation at the time. You don't have to agree but it's not some bizarre concept.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 2:43 pm to
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JFK would disagree, as well as most of this nation at the time.

Wait...what?

JFK was president during the Cold War. The Cold War has been over for 30 years.

Finland and Sweden aren't even NATO members today, 30 years after the fall of the USSR.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35563 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 3:02 pm to
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Uh, Russia has veto power via UNSC. The only times NATO was permitted to be the aggressor was without Russian objection. They could have vetoed it in any of the examples you care to cite of NATO using its military aggressively.


LOL

In this very thread, you have called Putin a war criminal, yet also claim that NATO would allow him to veto any action plans they have.

Insanity. NATO and the U.S. can and will do as they please, regardless of some make-nice bylaws on the books.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28182 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 3:05 pm to
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Wait...what?


You’re not familiar with the Cuban Missile Crisis?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 3:09 pm to
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In this very thread, you have called Putin a war criminal, yet also claim that NATO would allow him to veto any action plans they have.

Yes. That's how systems work.

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NATO and the U.S. can and will do as they please

If none of this matters, then that makes Putin's alleged argument even more irrational. If NATO status/behavior has no rules, why does it matter if Ukraine is a member or not?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 3:10 pm to
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You’re not familiar with the Cuban Missile Crisis?

Sure, I assumed as much. Hence why I replied that was a stupid comparison. The Cold War is over, and has been for 30 years.
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
24867 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:02 pm to
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The Cold War is over, and has been for 30 years.


So what? The principle is still in play.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:11 pm to
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So what? The principle is still in play.

But the conditions aren't.

Those conditions make the principle absurd.

The world is, by and large, friendly with each other. We all want to be friends and have good relationships with each other. This makes everyone prosperous.

In the Cold War, the conditions underlying foreign policy were much different, leading to different threats and likely scenarios.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35563 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:13 pm to
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So what? The principle is still in play.


Exactly.

Why are you worried about potential aggressors on your doorstep, bro? The Cold War is over.

What a naive fricking statement.

I assume the U.S. would have no issues with Mexico joining BRICS, you know with the Cold War being over and all.

Posted by Jaydeaux
Covington
Member since May 2005
19643 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:14 pm to
Wait, so the stammering idiot that just asked if the dead lady was here and that he thought she was supposed to be there, did something you’re touting as good? Do you really think he did ANYTHING but crap himself today? Bro, you’re part of the problem if you can’t admit this zombie is doing anything at all that requires thinking.
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
24867 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:15 pm to
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friendly with each other


Not so much.

The powerful want their safe distance. Think of gated communities.

Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35563 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:20 pm to
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The world is, by and large, friendly with each other.


"by and large" is a nice qualifier. The country that we were in the Cold War with is fighting an actual war with one of our allies, and we are mainly funding their defense.

The State Department has issued a: Russia Travel Advisory: Do Not Travel and Leave Immediately

Kind of Cold War-ish if you ask me.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 4:22 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
70807 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:20 pm to
Inverting reality, it used to be a subtle tactic your kind used but now it’s become too obvious and predictable. Dishonesty and spin are finite and this ploy has no more effectiveness.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477226 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 4:24 pm to
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Why are you worried about potential aggressors on your doorstep, bro? The Cold War is over.

The world has changed a lot since the Cold War.

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I assume the U.S. would have no issues with Mexico joining BRICS, you know with the Cold War being over and all.

Again, the post-Cold War Pax Americana makes this a stupid decision for Mexico to make. We already have good trade deals and implied security agreements. Why would they reject that for BRICS?

That's the whole issue with looking at this like Putin. Even China isn't supporting him fully. Putin is an outlier, kind of like the Kims in NK. They want to go back to a more combustible world but that path is costly and unlikely.
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