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Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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I know the media in the US is coordinated in a partisan manner, but Russian news is literally government propaganda.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:09 am to Taxing Authority
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No. He's trolling. Gotta be. He's not this dumb.
I think it was just an excuse to talk about Trump, Trump voters, Trump's 2 scoops, whatever.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:09 am to Taxing Authority
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He's not this dumb.

Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:10 am to Taxing Authority
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Now you're equating a political/racist ideology with an organization.
Um...groupings of people with political ideologies are organizations
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There is no equivalency there for your "both sides" argument.
It's literally the same thing.
Create perceived threat (typically an -ism)
Create a boogeyman (so simple people can understand simple concepts about the ism)
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Find me a group overtly espousing a racist/fascist agenda with an attendee list equivalent to this:
I mean you're using an international organization meant to foster international relationships as a boogeyman for "globalism". That's literally why a group like WEF was picked. This is becoming a tautology.
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I mean, you can observe political leader around the world repeating their talking points and implementing their agenda. From SriLanka, to the Netherlands, to.. the US. That's not a boogyman.
Yeah the world is not an isolationist world anymore. Countries have been in the method of decolonization and collective negotiation since WW2. Why would you not expect multiple countries, who all participated in negotiated concepts or agreements, not to have similar talking points?
Your point doesn't mean anything, literally.
It's like saying you've discovered a conspiracy that Jim Nance likes football because he announces football games.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:11 am to LNCHBOX
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Consistent in that you've completely changed over the years
How?
Which policy have I changed on?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:11 am to Taxing Authority
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And no one ever spouted US or Ukranian propaganda. Nope. Never happend
Where did I ever say this didn't happen?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:12 am to Flats
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I think it was just an excuse to talk about Trump, Trump voters, Trump's 2 scoops, whatever.
Much more about "globalism" than Trump
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, what threat is NATO to Russia, if Russia can thwart any aggression NATO could be requested to engage in?
You keep saying this, but it isn't true.
NATO and the use of force
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3. What is the legal basis for the threat or use of force by NATO in any of these situations? Two competing perspectives have emerged—a French perspective that gives the U.N. Security Council the primary role in authorizing NATO’s use of force; and a U.S. perspective that NATO has the right to use force whenever the interests of its members so
require. The NATO allies remain divided on whether Kosovo set a precedent for the future. Limiting NATO to actions that have been approved by the Security Council could subject the alliance to an effective veto by China or Russia. For this reason, NATO should not bind itself to a position that bars action in non-Article 5 contingencies if U.N. approval is not forthcoming. Still, the threat or use of force ought to have a legal basis sound enough to be acceptable both to the NATO public and to the vast majority of the international community—e.g., based on the U.N. Charter, the Helsinki Final Act, or the 1990 Charter of Paris.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:15 am to Taxing Authority
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No. He's trolling. Gotta be. He's not this dumb.
This. Full retard strength today with this one.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:15 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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You keep saying this, but it isn't true.
NATO and the use of force
When has NATO ever used force without UNSC approval?
I've literally asked this in this same thread about 5x
*ETA: that article is from 1999. This matter was settled with the US invasion of Iraq. NATO didn't join (individual nations like the UK did, but not NATO). NATO was also then authorized to deal with Afghanistan by the UNSC after. NATO won't act in an aggressive manner without UNSC approval.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 11:17 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:16 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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You keep saying this, but it isn't true.
You're right. Russia's concern that Estonia and Latvia are going to invade at any moment because they are hosting 900 British Marines, a squadron of Belgian F-16's, and a Patriot missile battery is totally legitimate
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Only if you think falsely labeled organizations and organizations actually implementing their policies are both boogeymen. But one of these does not fit the definition.
It's literally the same thing.
quote:Nope. I asked for an example of an fascist/racist group you were using for equivalency. I can only assume at this point you cannot come up with one.
I mean you're using an international organization meant to foster international relationships as a boogeyman for "globalism". That's literally why a group like WEF was picked.
quote:I guess not. Other than blowing up your claim it's just a boogeyman.
Yeah the world is not an isolationist world anymore. Countries have been in the method of decolonization and collective negotiation since WW2. Why would you not expect multiple countries, who all participated in negotiated concepts or agreements, not to have similar talking points?
Your point doesn't mean anything, literally.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 11:18 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:17 am to Indefatigable
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Russia's concern that Estonia and Latvia are going to invade at any moment because they are hosting 900 British Marines, a squadron of Belgian F-16's, and a Patriot missile battery is totally legitimate
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yet, you aren't using it to dismiss them as "Biden puppets" or "WEF supporters". If you were consistent, you would. It is what it is. And despite your beliefs, it's obvious to many of us.
Where did I ever say this didn't happen?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:20 am to Taxing Authority
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Only if you think falsely labeled organizations and organizations actually implementing their policies are both boogeymen
What specific policies has the WEF passed that became government legislation?
Not some "they use the same words" thing. I mean which actual policies were approved by the WEF and then were enacted en masse? I honestly don't know.
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I asked for an example of an fascist/racist group you were using for equivalency.
And then you changed the rules.
I listed a bunch. The GOP, CPAC, Cato, Federalist Society, etc. All have been labeled fascist at some point. All have plenty of members of government as members. I mean shite CATO and TFS have actually been used to implement US policy. Like real appointments and legislation.
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Other than blowing up your claim it's just a boogeyman.
You haven't told me what the WEF has actually done
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:22 am to Taxing Authority
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Yet, you aren't using it to dismiss them as "Biden puppets" or "WEF supporters".
The population of 1 posting in this thread?
And I did respond to Decatur, with actual substance and not memetic talking points.
I mean I literally did what you said I didn't. There has been one "Biden puppet" in this thread. He didn't really respond with Ukraine-based propaganda, but Leftist bullshite nontheless.
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If you were consistent, you would.
I am, and I did. In this thread.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
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International law?
LOL
So you are saying that Russia, or any other country, has forgone their sovereignity to international law?
There may be agreed upon ways of conducting business or statesmanship, but they aren't laws.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:24 am to cwill
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Let me ask you, should the west just turned a blind eye to a rapacious, mafia nation invading another country on its doorstep?
Pretty sure that's the opposite side of Putin's excuse to invade to stop us medding. A crisis Putin and Biden created. What would we do if Russia tried that? Any examples of Russia getting aggressive in our back yard? How would we respond?
Then that money shouldn't significantly impact prices going into another corner of the market.
I'm still suggesting this is completely manufactured and our government is complicit and escalating things, you twit.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 9/28/22 at 11:25 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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So you are saying that Russia, or any other country, has forgone their sovereignity to international law?
Russia can leave the UN and the various international agreements it's made, but it did not do that before it invaded Ukraine. The decision on ceding some sovereignty was made a long time ago.
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