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re: Are we still pretending Trump has done a good job handling the virus?

Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:42 pm to
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:42 pm to
Most likely wouldn't have shut down specifically due to legal exposure, but what about customers for all those businesses? Or supply chains? Were those things not going to be adversely affected probably no matter what? How do businesses stay staffed up and open without regular customers or reliable supply chain, even if they wanted to stay open?
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:48 pm to
quote:

Q: So you disagree with Dr Fauci when he says we aren’t doing enough testing to open the economy?

Trump: Yes I disagree with him.


And? He published the guidelines which justify continued shutdown and infringement of inalienable rights.
He said shutdowns saved a million lives.
He criticized Kemp for how he is reopening.
He has been at times more optimistic and "open it up" oriented, but those were just words. He has been in favor of and endorsed unprecedented nationwide shutdowns that have wrecked our economy and made everyone fearful. He is still doing it.
Posted by dixiechick
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:50 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 7:10 am
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21812 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:55 pm to
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Most likely wouldn't have shut down specifically due to legal exposure, but what about customers for all those businesses? Or supply chains? Were those things not going to be adversely affected probably no matter what? How do businesses stay staffed up and open without regular customers or reliable supply chain, even if they wanted to stay open?


What about customers? Supply chains? Do you believe the virus in and of itself (nevermind the ginned up hysteria) would have made enough people/businesses run for cover it would have made a business that didn't want to shut down close anyway? I think theaters, that kind of business, yeah, would have had a tough time, but not businesses broadly.

Home Depot, Walmart, Amazon are doing record business.
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
50886 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:02 pm to
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I would have loaded up on tests in Jan & Feb

I’m sorry but this is just total bull shite.

First, you can’t make a test until you sequence the virus. And China did not release the sequence until MID JANUARY.

And, because you can’t trust the info from China, you still need to check it. France and the US sequenced the virus at the END OF JANUARY. So I don’t know what you think you would have been “loading up” on.

Next, you have to make a test and that is difficult and takes time. Trump is not a scientist with a lab. All he can do is have the CDC make a test. Which they did in FEBRUARY. So again, I don’t know what you think you would have been loading up on.

Next, the CDC frickED UP THE TEST. And they couldn’t get it right. It wasn’t until TRUMP BROUGHT IN PRIVATE OUTSIDE COMPANIES AGAINST CDC AND GOVERNMENT ADVICE that a quality test was developed AT THE END OF FEBRUARY.

All this info can be found in the WSJ and WaPo.

So again, the idea that you would have been loading up on tests in January and February is nothing but complete bull shite.

You are just a person that wants to complain on false made up assertions.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:07 pm to
I believe it's a case by case situation. You're right in that it's not rational to make a broad prediction about whether businesses would have chosen to shut down voluntarily, but it is reasonable to assume that amongst the nation's business owners are a certain number of those who themselves caught the fear bug and were influenced by same. Add to that at a minimum customer slow down, and I guess it just results in a mixed bag.
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89764 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:09 pm to
I feel like trump is just trying to ride this out and try to stay in the middle
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119880 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:15 pm to
And that may cost him the election
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
21812 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:17 pm to
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I believe it's a case by case situation. You're right in that it's not rational to make a broad prediction about whether businesses would have chosen to shut down voluntarily, but it is reasonable to assume that amongst the nation's business owners are a certain number of those who themselves caught the fear bug and were influenced by same. Add to that at a minimum customer slow down, and I guess it just results in a mixed bag.


I think the dollar is a mighty motivator. If a small business owner catches the fear bug, he/she'd lose customers to competitors.

How many businesses do you think would have shut down voluntarily if there was no PPP? Keep the disaster loan program available, but take the PPP (which amounts to a grant) off the table - how many businesses shut down? I don't think many would.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:22 pm to
Posted by EastBankTiger
A little west of Hoover Dam
Member since Dec 2003
21616 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:37 pm to
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gotta love how some local city councilor or some random ICU nurse somehow bears responsibility to the same extent they should share the sentence with the President of the United States. Damn, people working overtime to provide cover for this dude.

Y'all getting time and a half for all this labor?


This is really the best response that you could muster?

Joe Biden displays better cerebral capabilities.

Bottom line: we're in uncharted waters here. There's no "how to" handbook for any of this. Doctors and health organizations have admitted their figures are at best, educated guesses...that have constantly been revised downward. As a result, people at all levels are going to make mistakes. Try to keep up, this isn't rocket science.

This isn't elected officials doing whats best for everyone. This is people playing CYOA because they don't want negative press or possible legal ramifications from overtly litigious lawyers looking to capitalize.
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Charlie Kirk's America
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:39 pm to
Just like we are pretending you are not a walking, talking libtard moron.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78073 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 8:44 pm to
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Am I the president ?
No, and that's why it is so easy for you to criticize from your sofa.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
6438 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:19 pm to
Our infected and death numbers are 10 times better than projected. Next question.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
12879 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:25 pm to
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Can anyone identify anything he’s done well related to this virus other than shutting down travel from China? Following the midget Hillary lover is not impressive either.


You are asking for rational thought. I criticized Obama and was cheered. I criticize Trump, and get attacked for doing so not for how or what the criticiziam is.

It has been a shite storm with NO easy out...now.

I'd walk crawl through HELL'S fire to vote for Trump before I'd walk on heaven's flowers to vote for a democrat.

Good luck.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109675 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:25 pm to
Who was proposing the optimal ideas to deal with it?
Posted by supatigah
CEO of the Keith Hernandez Fan Club
Member since Mar 2004
89764 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:26 pm to
Exactly

It has always been a fluid situation
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109675 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:28 pm to
Children
Posted by uppermidwestbama
Member since Nov 2014
2097 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:37 pm to
Our economy wouldn't have shut down with Hillary. The media wouldn't even be mentioning the virus. But at the same time we wouldn't have had a thriving economy under Hillary.
Posted by uppermidwestbama
Member since Nov 2014
2097 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:42 pm to
There will be more people who die from smoking this year than COVID19 even if there was no mention of COVID19 anywhere in the media.
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