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Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:25 pm to Scruffy
quote:Hans Brix?
I just want Trump to act like he did at the start of his presidency and not be led blindly around by Fauci and Brix.
Trump took early action and was called a racist by people who then encouraged mixing with the riskiest demographic at a time we now know to have been right at the earliest outbreaks, especially in CA.
Trump talked about opening the country and dems said the governors should decide (in a rare moment of them arguing for states' rights), and now dems say they want the federal government to "take a more aggressive role" in reopening.
Democrats have been nothing but political in all of this, with people's lives being their political currency.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:25 pm to CelticDog
quote:
they are personally invested in the pussy grabber. they individually need to defend him.
its going to be a relief for everyone when he is stomped in the election.
You people are getting dumber by the day.
Sad.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:28 pm to bogeypro
quote:
m a trump supporter, but I agree with OP. I don't think trump has done well with this. He's let the fear and panic rule. Too many knee jerk reactions determined by bad data and poor models. Of course, I'll still vote for him because Joe is a puppet for the left
The weird thing is the lunatics on the left are complaining he didn’t do enough when reality is he did too much.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:28 pm to David_DJS
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If you don't agree with something in my post, explain what it is and why it's wrong.
It's become a waste of time to try that approach.
Why? Because you people are getting dumber by the day.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:32 pm to LuckyTiger
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just don’t understand statements like this. They are lost on me.
He’s pushing hard to reopen and wants to do it in a phased manner to occur over the coming weeks.
He talked about the Churches being full on Easter. Then he said just give it the month of April.
Then he published guidelines that implicitly justify all of the shutdowns to date (despite the models originally used to justify it being proven wrong) AND give governors the opening to keep this going at least another 42 days but really give them the ability to keep it closed indefinitely and in an on/off pattern all the way until there's a vaccine.
Just yesterday he said the shutdowns prevented a million deaths. Which further justifies all shutdowns including another full shutdown this fall.
What he should have done is said that we haven't seen hospitals being overrun, we have more data now that says this may not be as bad as initially thought, and that he doesn't believe it's right or justifiable to wreck the economy, put 30 million people out of work, keep people from practicing their religion, etc etc etc
He should not have published those guidelines, he should have taken away all federal justification for extended guidelines. He should have stuck to his guns of not letting the cure be worse than the disease.
There was no "never open up" option. Whatever he did was going to be criticized by the fake news as not cautious enough, so he should have gone full open and spoken in a mature manner about the risk vs reward calculation.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:34 pm to Dale51
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It's become a waste of time to try that approach.
Why? Because you people are getting dumber by the day.
You sound like an MSNBC/CNN all-star panelist. Seriously, stop watching that crap.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:37 pm to David_DJS
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You sound like an MSNBC/CNN all-star panelist. Seriously, stop watching that crap.
Oh Snap!
You people are getting dumber by the day.
Sad.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:42 pm to uway
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There was no "never open up" option. Whatever he did was going to be criticized by the fake news as not cautious enough, so he should have gone full open and spoken in a mature manner about the risk vs reward calculation.
Exactly. He should know by now that no matter what he does, he's going to get zero credit and nothing but criticism/blame from the left, so why play the game trying to appease/persuade them?
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:46 pm to CelticDog
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they are personally invested in the pussy grabber. they individually need to defend him. its going to be a relief for everyone when he is stomped in the election.
Assuming this happens why would it be a relief to anyone to have a person in advanced mental decline in charge of the country, it’s military, and nuclear armament?
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:51 pm to NIH
TRUMP fricked up the virus response as soon as he endorsed the lockdown. I understand why he did it but his initial instinct (“just the flu”) was the right one. If his sole challenger didn’t have advanced senile dementia I would be worried about his re-election chances.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:52 pm to NIH
Harness your hindsight and settle into your Monday Morning QB chair and tell us EXACTLY what you would have done at ever stage of the evolving pandemic.
And be sure to factor in that whatever you did the MSM would be second-guessing you and demanding to know why you didn't do it sooner if it turned out good results, or why you did it al all if someone's grandmother died.
Start on Jan 1. Give us a blow by blow of your imperial decrees from that point forward -- and be sure to be able to answer any and all "what about ______?" questions at the time you made the decisions. So even if the "what abouts" didn't turn out, you still have to explain with mathematical certainty that it will NOT happen, given only the data you have on hand.
Oh - and you might as well start of Jan 17, 2017. Tell us at what point you would have recognized that the CDC guidelines you inherited would not be sufficient for some potential future pandemic - and why you are so sure that said pandemic would happen <-- because that is the burden that Trump has to bear 24/7 on ever trivial thing he does.
Hava a go at it - You have the benefit of knowing how the actual plan turned out - surely you could have done better = and beat back the MSM who would have been pummeling you with propaganda gotcha questions every hour of the day.
Now - I do not think Trump did everything perfectly - to expect that is the height of ignorance of how the world works.
But if you insist that he bungled the job - you are required to demonstrate what decisions should have been made differently and based on what factual evidence.
GO
And be sure to factor in that whatever you did the MSM would be second-guessing you and demanding to know why you didn't do it sooner if it turned out good results, or why you did it al all if someone's grandmother died.
Start on Jan 1. Give us a blow by blow of your imperial decrees from that point forward -- and be sure to be able to answer any and all "what about ______?" questions at the time you made the decisions. So even if the "what abouts" didn't turn out, you still have to explain with mathematical certainty that it will NOT happen, given only the data you have on hand.
Oh - and you might as well start of Jan 17, 2017. Tell us at what point you would have recognized that the CDC guidelines you inherited would not be sufficient for some potential future pandemic - and why you are so sure that said pandemic would happen <-- because that is the burden that Trump has to bear 24/7 on ever trivial thing he does.
Hava a go at it - You have the benefit of knowing how the actual plan turned out - surely you could have done better = and beat back the MSM who would have been pummeling you with propaganda gotcha questions every hour of the day.
Now - I do not think Trump did everything perfectly - to expect that is the height of ignorance of how the world works.
But if you insist that he bungled the job - you are required to demonstrate what decisions should have been made differently and based on what factual evidence.
GO
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:12 pm to CelticDog
quote:
its going to be a relief for everyone when he is stomped in the election.
Ninja please.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:14 pm to NIH
NIH: “pretending”
Lmfao irony doesn’t quite do it justice
Lmfao irony doesn’t quite do it justice
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:15 pm to ChineseBandit58
quote:
Harness your hindsight and settle into your Monday Morning QB chair and tell us EXACTLY what you would have done at ever stage of the evolving pandemic.
And be sure to factor in that whatever you did the MSM would be second-guessing you and demanding to know why you didn't do it sooner if it turned out good results, or why you did it al all if someone's grandmother died.
... ... ... ... ...
But if you insist that he bungled the job - you are required to demonstrate what decisions should have been made differently and based on what factual evidence.
GO
I'll take a stab.
1. Realize that Dems are Dems, the press is the press, and no matter what I do or don't do, they're going to pillory and lampoon me because they hate me in a comically irrational way. So the last consideration in all of this is what a Dem politician or the press thinks/says.
2. Trump sounded right in some ways. He described himself as a cheerleader (or he was cheering, something like that) - he got ridiculed for that, but it was actually a good instinct. I would spend some time in front of a microphone telling Americans we are going to fine, that our doctors and nurses are the best in the world and they're going to treat our sick as well as possible, and there's no need to panic.
3. I'd marshal whatever resources that are helpful to isolate the elderly that are compromised and others truly at-risk.
4. Same for treating those who become gravely ill with the virus. Work to get necessary resources where they're needed.
5. I would be adult about the virus. It's not going to kill everybody. It's not going to kill 2 million Americans. It's a serious challenge. Some people will become gravely ill. Some people will die. That's how illnesses, from the flu to colds to COVID, work. It's life.
Beyond this, I'm Sweden before Sweden is Sweden. Be smart/careful when out and about? - yes. Practice good hygiene? - of course. Suspend large crowd activities (or support that)? - yes, at least in the beginning. Close schools (or support that)? - no. Close businesses (or support that)? - no.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:17 pm to NIH
quote:
Am I the president ?
So u have no idea. You just like to criticize and be wrong
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:21 pm to IrishTiger89
quote:Oh, tests for a virus we knew nothing about?
I would have loaded up on tests in Jan & Feb
Yeah, real simple. Shouldn’t take but a couple of days to do and then mass produce them.
Retard.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:22 pm to ChineseBandit58
With no shut down every single death would be magnified by the MSM to the Nth degree. We are at roughly 32,000 right now for US per google. The number of deaths would have been greater and the hospitals might have gotten more business/overwhelmed. The MSM would have crucified him.
And most businesses would have shut down anyway because of the fear of a lawsuit. So GDP still gets hit, public still panics because of MSM.
And most businesses would have shut down anyway because of the fear of a lawsuit. So GDP still gets hit, public still panics because of MSM.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:30 pm to ScottFowler
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The MSM would have crucified him.
As opposed to the Trump lovefest now? I think we have enough history of it to know the MSM will crucify Trump no matter what he does, good or bad.
quote:
And most businesses would have shut down anyway because of the fear of a lawsuit.
Since when is a business liable because someone got the flu? And even if that was somehow real, how would anybody prove they got the flu at your business?
Is Walmart and Costco and all the car dealerships that are open still getting sued?
I think you're wrong. Most businesses wouldn't have shut down.
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:42 pm to Scruffy
quote:
I just want Trump to act like he did at the start of his presidency and not be led blindly around by Fauci and Brix.
From yesterday’s briefing:
Q: So you disagree with Dr Fauci when he says we aren’t doing enough testing to open the economy?
Trump: Yes I disagree with him.
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