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re: are there still people who still believe the earth is warming and man caused it?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:57 am to Korkstand
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:57 am to Korkstand
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Multiple lines of evidence indicate that the earth has warmed in the last century by an amount that normally takes hundreds, if not thousands of years.
Wrong. The earth has warmed 1 degree F in the last 120 years. That's not unusual even if you dismiss the fraud of weather stations placed near heated systems.
Also, the prediction by GW idiots in 1990 was that the earth would warm by 5 degrees F by today. It didn't happen.
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We know that we are adding to the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, and numerous experiments and calculations indicate that CO2 contributes to global heat retention.
Wrong. Our CO2 is insignificant. More CO2 comes from vegetation rotting after it dies. Besides, CO2 is not a significant GH gas. It's water vapor. Would you like us to eliminate water?
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There is really no disputing that very few degrees of change results in drastic changes to the planet.
Oh, there is PLENTY to dispute. All studies showing the falsity of GW at Montreal and Kyoto were spiked. Scientist were not allowed to present. If CO2 is increasing then plant life will boom. Hurray for agriculture.
All of the predictions of the ice caps melting by 2000 were wrong. See the current problem with ice breakers.
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You can dispute these points all you want, but your beliefs are far from being "the bottom line".
I've studied GW for years. The one thing that is indisputable is that every time frame predicted was WRONG. It's always wrong. IE, in 1995 I read what would happen by 2000. It didn't. In 2000 I read what would happen by 2010. It didn't.
But if you wish to believe in this crap. Hey, it's a free country. For now.
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Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:58 am to Korkstand
quote:Yes
So, because humans are part of nature, anything we do is "natural".
quote:Are we talking nature as a whole, or specific types of nature?
xcept for when a man fricks another man, then that is "unnatural".
Not that I agree with the point, but I think you may have presented a false analogy.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:59 am to TrueTiger
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ding, ding, ding,
we have a winner!
Yes we do! I award him the fallacy of division!
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:59 am to Zach
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I've studied GW for years.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:00 pm to Korkstand
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Except for when a man fricks another man, then that is "unnatural".
Ah, the losing side brings out the ad hominem. Took longer than I expected
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:00 pm to Roaad
if a man fricks another man, is any warming present? just to continue this mindless meme
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:01 pm to TK421
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Ah, the losing side brings out the ad hominem. Took longer than I expected
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:02 pm to Vegas Bengal
so how many poles get capped when a man fricks another man?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:02 pm to Vegas Bengal
Emoticons don't pass as refutation, VB.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:03 pm to Vegas Bengal
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An ad hominem, short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument
It means exactly what I think it means, you dolt.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:06 pm to TK421
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It means exactly what I think it means, you dolt.
Oh the irony.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:07 pm to Zach
The problem is who do you believe? One guys agenda is to show it is warming so thats what he looks for and finds.
It seems most people aren't "hot" on this subject anymore. Remeber Obama's Organizing for Action group's climate change rally where nobody showed up?
It seems most people aren't "hot" on this subject anymore. Remeber Obama's Organizing for Action group's climate change rally where nobody showed up?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:09 pm to Korkstand
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when a man fricks another man
a natural anomaly
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:10 pm to webman
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The problem is who do you believe? One guys agenda is to show it is warming so thats what he looks for and finds.
It seems most people aren't "hot" on this subject anymore. Remeber Obama's Organizing for Action group's climate change rally where nobody showed up?
Personally, I think it would be a major start to stop equating Global Warming with Al Gore and Democrats, and rather look at what scientists have to say about the topic. Just my opinion though.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:10 pm to red_giraffe
If you missed the joke, you should go ahead and quit life.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:12 pm to catholictigerfan
Anyone who says that mankind doesn't affect the climate in some way is a real fool. I'm not sure of the degree that we're affecting it, but during 9/11 when every flight was grounded world wide, global temperatures spiked by 2 degrees. That's pretty damn convincing bit of information since that should really not happen over a 3 day period.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:12 pm to Korkstand
quote:The problem is not science. The problem is politically motivated scientists.
The difference between now and an ice age is only 5C, what would 5C in the other direction do? The honest answer is we don't know, but apparently you have no problem with wanting to find out.
For example, were CO2 an actual major greenhouse element in our atmosphere, and were there also methods to draw CO2 level down independent of industrial output, would warmist alarmists implement it? Would they pursue a solution which drew atmospheric CO2 levels down at the same time industrial output continued as is?
Or would they ignore that solution, simply because their goal is as much anti-industrial and anti-fossilfuel, as it is cooling the planet?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:13 pm to TK421
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If you missed the joke, you should go ahead and quit life
Awesome!
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:13 pm to TK421
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Ah, the losing side brings out the ad hominem.
I'm glad you pointed out my fallacy, as mine was in response the logical fallacy that, since man is natural, everything he does is natural.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:14 pm to TrueTiger
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a natural anomaly
I get the feeling that everyone's argument about the word "natural" is mostly about semantics.
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