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re: Annual "what did I do wrong to get punished?" thread re: ACA

Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:39 am to
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:39 am to
Trump and Putin were really behind tge ACA in Obamas first term...I knew it!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:40 am to
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. I'm on Medicare, the wife's on Obocare. BCBS has yet to notify her of any rate increases. I suppose the letter is coming soon?

i went to the marketplace before making this thread. i don't even see my old plan offered this year

and it looks like my area has ONE provider: BCBS of LA

the most underrated terrible part of the ACA was how it has absolutely destroyed consumer choice. last year we were down to 2, so it's not Trump's issue

*ETA: never mind on that last point. Vantage still offers plans. they just weren't listed based on my filters (b/c they don't cover the good doctors )
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 11:44 am
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
83607 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:41 am to
Obama and the ACA sabotaged healthcare.


Try

Again
Posted by EastBankTiger
A little west of Hoover Dam
Member since Dec 2003
21661 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:43 am to
But but but...$2500 savings and shite.

Anyone that bought into that believes that Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton had a "chance meeting" in Phoenix to "look at baby pictures."
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:43 am to
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yeah i think i posted pics of my policies b/c they loved telling me my old policy didn't cover x, y, and z


You can get pregnant now... so you got that going for you.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:45 am to
i suffer for so many years to get a long-term gf and now that i do, i learn that i can have the baby all myself?

Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
24325 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:45 am to
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Trump nailed it by saying, you have to get hit by a truck to utilize your health insurance.



too bad that health insurance is denying payment when people do get hit by a truck. Insurance companies winning all around.
Posted by Bear-O-Dactyl
tRock
Member since Oct 2012
1172 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:51 am to
I just went through my records and mine has increased 42% since 2012.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
43085 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:53 am to
The same government that makes it so you have to get hit by a truck to use your health insurance goes the extra mile and brings the truck drivers into this country to hit you.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
15770 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:54 am to
All of the liberals' insurance rates went down when Obama was President and their income doubled and they made millions in the stock market. Now that Trump is President, they're going broke.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14261 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:57 am to
Thank god for my 450 dollar deductible plan that only costs me $120 bucks a month. Thanks to it being an employer provided health plan.

screw obama, pelosi, and the rest of those fricks for aca. What its done to the ins market is repulsive. But this is what it was always meant to do. It was meant to frick the current insurance system so hard over time, that eventually all of us would be begging them for si gle payer.

They didnt try to fix anything.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
102456 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:58 am to
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you can thank Trump for actively trying to sabotage the country's healthcare system.



Your messiah did this.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14261 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:58 am to
Go f yourself moron.
Posted by Amblin
Member since Sep 2011
3093 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:59 am to
It is all about the votes for Dems. They will do anything, say anything, to keep the (black/hispanic/women/liberal) voters angry and feeling they are mistreated. They will enact any program that benefits those groups as that means more votes. They only care about staying in power.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
98815 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 11:59 am to
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They didnt try to fix anything.


That wasn't their intention. Their intention was to give low cost/free healthcare to millions for the next administration to have to deal with.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
13258 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:00 pm to
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the government decided that i should be punished. i still want a liberal-progressive poster to explain to me why people like me are the ones who suffer, after doing everything the way we're supposed to


Most people with Obamacare policies are unable to access their coverage due to prohibitive deductibles and co - payments. The Affordable Care Act was nothing more than a huge transference of wealth. It is amazing that a benefit which was previously provided by employers on a voluntary basis has now been placed under governmental control, forcing certain employers to provide the benefits or be fined, while telling them how the benefits are to be paid, how much they must pay, what is covered and deciding which of their employees lifestyles are to be subsidized by other employees.

In addition we were also being forced to subsidize health insurers through reimbursement corridors and subsidies when they were required to discard actuarial prognostications to assume any all risks with the knowledge that if their profits dropped accordingly the taxpayers would make up the difference. Now the courts have finally reigned in this assault on our constitution by the Obama administration by ruling these subsidies can only be paid when authorized by Congress. Congress has refused to allocate the funding and the carriers have elected to abandon this sinking vessel.

Yes, the " uninsured rate " may have dropped . Much of this is due to the mandate to purchase ( the first time in the history of this country the populace is forced to purchase a product just for existing) and those who would have been eligible for Medicaid even without the Affordable Care Act. The expansion of Medicaid in states like Louisiana allows advocates of the ACA to tout increased percentages of those insured. Yet, many of the new insureds really are no better off as they must absorb large deductibles and co-payments to access their coverage. This is prohibitive for many.

When the Democrats were passing the ACA we were told, depending on the audience that there were 30,000,000 to 50,000,000 uninsured people in the country who would benefit from passing the ACA. Lets split it and call it 40 million uninsured. If those numbers were true then there should have been a stampede to sign up for coverage last year and this year. The Health and Human Services claims the number of signups this year is 10.4 million Remember, though we were not told the truth about 2015 signups. It was eventually exposed and finally admitted by the administration that they had lied and the number of signups was actually 6.3 million and not the 8.7 million they touted until they were exposed. There was no confirmation of how many of the current 10.4 million were previously insured and lost their coverage due to the ACA. In reality there may have been only 5 million newly insured. The total insured may have been well below 8 million by the end of last year.

My premiums have increased 64% since 2013 with higher deductibles and co-payments while I am also forced to subsidize the insurance of others. The president claimed premiums would be reduced $2,500 per family by the Affordable Care Act. The president knew this was not true and deliberately lied to the American people to push for the passage of the act.

The Democrats can be proud of themselves. They gave Obama his signature accomplishment and now the Democrats own it. It has already cost them the Congress and it was a significant factor in costing them the Presidency. It would have been better for Congress to have allocated an assigned risk pool of funds to assist those who were shut out of the standard insurance markets by pre-existing conditions instead of this giant exercise in absurdity and lunacy. The Democrats had to resort to unconstitutional deception and bribery of reluctant Congresspersons from Nebraska, Louisiana and Michigan to get the law passed. We were lied to again and again and again by this administration. Jonathan Gruber, one of the plan's major architects confirmed the level of deceit by the Democrats. Hard working tax paying citizens are being forced to subsidize health care for others, meanwhile many have lost their own coverage and are being forced to purchase insurance with higher premiums and higher deductibles and co-payments.

Despite Obama's claim it would reduce premiums an average of $2,500.00 per family this year's true numbers of participants will continue to drop, primarily due to the cost. A recent report stated more and more Obamacare recipients cancelled their policies even after being afforded great leniency by the very liberal rules set by this administration. So we had to totally disrupt health coverage that many were happy with, had to endure a total revision of the healthcare system all for less than 3% of the population of this country. This continues to prove how incompetent the Obama administration was and so ill prepared to govern. This is yet another example of how liberals operate. They will take what they can get at first. Then having gotten their foot in the door they return to press for the rest at a later date in the guise of fairness. Then anyone who objects is waging a war on those beneficiaries, a meme which their media minions is always willing to trumpet. Look no further than this current push for single payer option and the recent movement in California to cover illegal immigrants.

The Democrat Congress and President Obama passed a defective bill and will continue to pay the price for it. The Democrat Congress had to assure Obama got his signature accomplishment. You Democrats now own it lock, stock and barrel
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 12:10 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:00 pm to
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Thank god for my 450 dollar deductible plan that only costs me $120 bucks a month. Thanks to it being an employer provided health plan.

i'm looking at about 600/mo with a 3-6k deductible but vastly different copay/coinsurance options among the various deductibles

i think i'm going to go for the low deductible with the gap b/w the ded and max payment (with shitty co-insurance) b/c i don't get care that often and if it's something major (like ER + surgery) then i have to bite the bullet to get to may payment regardless. this way if i avoid a major incident, i pay the least in premiums
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55457 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:01 pm to
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you can thank Trump for actively trying to sabotage the country's healthcare system.


Literally the worst people alive. I loathe people like you for ruining my party, working to ruin my country, then mocking us when we point it out.

How stupid do you have to be to blame this on someone who literally held no political power when your ilk passed it?

Never mind. It is simple: you are mentally ill.
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
23201 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:02 pm to
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you can thank Trump for actively trying to sabotage the country's healthcare system.



Have seen this word used on several forums over the past 48 hours over this issue. "Sabotage" is the new mot du jour. Where do they all get it?
This post was edited on 11/1/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/1/17 at 12:02 pm to
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Yes, the " uninsured rate " may have dropped . Much of this is due to the mandate to purchase

actually, it's b/c of Medicaid expansion

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