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re: AI Data centers
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:52 pm to Septiger
Posted on 5/18/26 at 3:52 pm to Septiger
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They are going to demo all of these trees, playhouse, fence, fire pits, the pool, the spa, all of this, including our two neighbors' houses. They're completely demoing theirs. This easement is only going to be 12 feet our house, 12 feet from our bedroom where we sleep”
“I am just one of many homeowners who are impacted by Georgia Power's high voltage power lines that that are going in to support data centers that are being built all over”
It affects over 330 private properties. Georgia Power says it will negotiate purchases and easements and use eminent domain
Georgia Power claims its to strengthen the grid for the growing energy demand in Georgia due to many new data centers
We should not be letting this happen. We need protections from data center projects
This post was edited on 5/18/26 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 5/18/26 at 5:23 pm to Boodis Man
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This is why im bullish on Elon's idea to put the data centers in orbit where there's plenty of space and no water required. That needs to happen quickly
Remote AI data centers are fine for AI training, but the long latency will make remote AI data centers (even the terrestrial ones well away from population centers) useless for AI inference. So you will need (many) more ultra-low-latency data centers as time goes on.
The other issue with space data centers in the medium term is how quickly they become obsolete, often before construction is finished. This makes the cost of space-based versions financially untenable until the tech plateaus out, which may never happen or when the cost of moving massive volumes to space gets much cheaper.
Posted on 5/19/26 at 6:33 pm to Obtuse1
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- Georgia currently has about 162 data centers already
- They have an additional 141 new data centers planned
- Combined these data centers will use 12+ GW or more of power, this is equivalent to the usage of 10 MILLION homes
- Combined water usage estimate of 35+ billion gallons per year or higher
Absolutely insane
There is no comprehensive federal requirement for data centers to publicly report detailed water usage.
A bill was introduced called “the Data Center Water and Energy Transparency Act” to mandate reporting of energy and water consumption to states and the EPA
This is an issue, here’s one example
The Quality Technology Services data center in Fayette County used 29–30 million gallons of water went unmetered and unbilled for months without initial detection. Residents complained about low pressure during drought conditions. The company later paid retroactively $150,000 but faced no fines
Posted on 5/27/26 at 4:46 pm to Ailsa
Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:01 pm to Ailsa
1.) NM is in a drought I think
2.) 20,000 gallons per second can feed the 1.5 million a day in a little over a minute of flow. That’s is about .1% of the flow
I don’t know anything about Data centers, but the truth is somewhere between an economic savior and the end of the world
2.) 20,000 gallons per second can feed the 1.5 million a day in a little over a minute of flow. That’s is about .1% of the flow
I don’t know anything about Data centers, but the truth is somewhere between an economic savior and the end of the world
This post was edited on 5/27/26 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:08 pm to tigerfoot
How does AI threaten national security?
AI Overview
Artificial Intelligence threatens national security by accelerating the speed and scale of cyberattacks on critical infrastructure, lowering the barriers for creating unconventional weapons, and generating hyper-realistic synthetic media that undermines public trust.
The integration of AI introduces specific, actionable threats across several critical areas:
1. Cyber and Infrastructure Warfare
Automated Exploitation: Malicious actors use AI to scan networks for software vulnerabilities and autonomously execute cyberattacks at speeds far beyond human capabilities.
Adaptive Malware: AI-powered malware can alter its code and behavior to evade detection by traditional cybersecurity defenses.
Critical Infrastructure: State-sponsored hackers use these advanced algorithms to breach and disrupt essential systems such as electrical grids and military communications.
2. Proliferation of Unconventional Weapons
Lowered Barrier to Entry: AI lowers the technical hurdles required to design and develop chemical or biological weapons, as well as synthetic pathogens.
Material Sourcing: Generative models can be manipulated or bypassed to provide instructions for synthesizing dangerous materials with minimal resources.
3. Information and Cognitive Warfare
Mass-Produced Disinformation: Extremist groups and hostile nations use AI to generate highly convincing, tailored propaganda at scale.
Deepfakes: Realistic synthetic audio, photo, and video forgeries (deepfakes) are deployed to impersonate officials, manipulate financial markets, and destabilize public trust in government institutions.
4. Autonomous Military Capabilities
Swarm Warfare: The widespread availability of commercially accessible, AI-enabled drones provides hostile states and non-state actors with cheap, long-range precision strike capabilities.
Autonomous Systems: The deployment of autonomous weapons systems that make targeting decisions without human intervention raises serious concerns about rapid escalations and accidental warfare.
HARVARD Kennedy School - Belfer Center
The global security landscape is shifting as both state and non-state actors leverage these technologies. You can explore deeper analysis of these evolving frameworks on platforms like the Council on Foreign Relations or official tracking by the Brennan Center for Justice.
AI Overview
Artificial Intelligence threatens national security by accelerating the speed and scale of cyberattacks on critical infrastructure, lowering the barriers for creating unconventional weapons, and generating hyper-realistic synthetic media that undermines public trust.
The integration of AI introduces specific, actionable threats across several critical areas:
1. Cyber and Infrastructure Warfare
Automated Exploitation: Malicious actors use AI to scan networks for software vulnerabilities and autonomously execute cyberattacks at speeds far beyond human capabilities.
Adaptive Malware: AI-powered malware can alter its code and behavior to evade detection by traditional cybersecurity defenses.
Critical Infrastructure: State-sponsored hackers use these advanced algorithms to breach and disrupt essential systems such as electrical grids and military communications.
2. Proliferation of Unconventional Weapons
Lowered Barrier to Entry: AI lowers the technical hurdles required to design and develop chemical or biological weapons, as well as synthetic pathogens.
Material Sourcing: Generative models can be manipulated or bypassed to provide instructions for synthesizing dangerous materials with minimal resources.
3. Information and Cognitive Warfare
Mass-Produced Disinformation: Extremist groups and hostile nations use AI to generate highly convincing, tailored propaganda at scale.
Deepfakes: Realistic synthetic audio, photo, and video forgeries (deepfakes) are deployed to impersonate officials, manipulate financial markets, and destabilize public trust in government institutions.
4. Autonomous Military Capabilities
Swarm Warfare: The widespread availability of commercially accessible, AI-enabled drones provides hostile states and non-state actors with cheap, long-range precision strike capabilities.
Autonomous Systems: The deployment of autonomous weapons systems that make targeting decisions without human intervention raises serious concerns about rapid escalations and accidental warfare.
HARVARD Kennedy School - Belfer Center
The global security landscape is shifting as both state and non-state actors leverage these technologies. You can explore deeper analysis of these evolving frameworks on platforms like the Council on Foreign Relations or official tracking by the Brennan Center for Justice.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:08 pm to Ailsa
But sure, give Samsung and TSMC subsidies to build chip plants in Arizona, land of abundant water. A data center is a data center is a data center. Storage arrays and air conditioners don't know if they're being used by "AI," Gmail, Tigerdroppings or Adsense. Lazy writing.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:12 pm to LemmyLives
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But sure, give Samsung and TSMC subsidies to build chip plants in Arizona, land of abundant water. A data center is a data center is a data center. Storage arrays and air conditioners don't know if they're being used by "AI," Gmail, Tigerdroppings or Adsense. Lazy writing.
Not much cooling is needed to make chips. I have the list of equipment TSMC was wanting for AZ and next to no cooling required.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:12 pm to Ailsa
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The global security landscape is shifting as both state and non-state actors leverage these technologies. You can explore deeper analysis of these evolving frameworks on platforms like the Council on Foreign Relations or official tracking by the Brennan Center for Justice.
These organizations know exactly jack and shite about this subject. Which in turns means this AI generated response is utter shite.
You also might want to take a look at who's behind the massive push against datacenters.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:16 pm to CitizenK
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next to no cooling required.
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TSMC's chip production facilities in Arizona are expected to require approximately 17.2 million gallons of water per day when fully operational, with efforts in place to recycle and reclaim a significant portion of this water. The company aims for a water recycling rate of around 90% to mitigate its impact on local water resources.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:28 pm to FLTech
Hate to break it to you but you’re not using AI, you’re just using google that reads a response back to you and you’re paying for it.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:32 pm to LemmyLives
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TSMC's chip production facilities in Arizona are expected to require approximately 17.2 million gallons of water per day when fully operational, with efforts in place to recycle and reclaim a significant portion of this water. The company aims for a water recycling rate of around 90% to mitigate its impact on local water resources.
Where did it say cooling? FTR, reporters are morons who don't know what questions to ask to get accurate answers but only to appeal to other morons. Some morons are on the left, some are on the right,
Do you understand how cooling water is used?
Everyone who doesn't know shiite from shinola about crude oil and refining wants more refineries but they use a lot of cooling water and a lot lost to evaporation from cooling towers.
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Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:36 pm to CitizenK
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Not much cooling is needed to make chips. I have the list of equipment TSMC was wanting for AZ and next to no cooling required.
I really didn't want to respond to this, but feel the need.
Microchip manufacturing plants have HUGE cooling demands, HUGE. We're talking about a single modual on a site similar to one on Intels Ocotillo site being the equal of several Superdomes. Intels Ocotillo site has six of those mods with conceptual plans to lease adjacent Indian land for future expansion.
Big power and water loads at these plants. Great effort and expense is used to recycle as much water as possible as it is a large part of their cost.
I don't know what list you were looking at, but I suspect it was probably the needs of one of the smaller support buildings of which there would be several on site. For instance there would be UPW building(s), Central Utilities Building(s), Wastewater treatment, etc. many different support buildings.
This post was edited on 5/27/26 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 5/27/26 at 5:56 pm to Victor R Franko
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I don't know what list you were looking at
Process equipment and the Taiwanese engineer seemed to think that we could pick up and transport 200,000 gallon tanks on a flatbed truck. I damned sure understand cryogenic cooling. I've liquidated a Silicon Valley production plant in the past.
This post was edited on 5/27/26 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 5/27/26 at 6:02 pm to GREENHEAD22
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The water use is a huge disaster that no one is talking about
No, almost everyone is talking about it.
But the government and tech billionaires just dont care.
They are going to force this on communities and know there is nothing the people will do about it other than bitch on social media.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 6:49 pm to Victor R Franko
I have actually been in chip and flat panel manufacturing plants. Have you?
Posted on 5/27/26 at 6:54 pm to CitizenK
There seem to be dozens of these plants going up nationwide. I find it hard to believe they are data processing centers or chip makers.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 7:06 pm to Veritas
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Hate to break it to you but you’re not using AI, you’re just using google that reads a response back to you and you’re paying for it.
There is a ton of misinformation Facebook nonsense in this thread. I don’t believe eminent domain should be used, but the other chicken little craze in here is hard to read.
AI is incredibly powerful when you use it correctly. Its accuracy is immensely better than 18 months ago. It won’t kill jobs, it will make current employees 10-50x more productive.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 7:27 pm to CitizenK
35 year career designing and building them for all the major manufacturers. Yes, I've been in a few plants and clean rooms with the tools.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 8:28 pm to Ailsa
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- It’s permitted to use 23 million gallons of water PER DAY
OMG! I used to work for a major paper mill that used twice that amount of water per day.
The other travesty is that they will only use that water for cooling purposes so it should be good to put back in the environment
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