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Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:00 am to
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:00 am to
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Louisianastan about to have electrical prices on par with California.


FYI, my electric utility bills were insanely cheaper in California in 2022/2023 than they were in Louisiana.
Posted by Sleepy_Tiger
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Aug 2021
11919 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:05 am to
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- It’s 4 million square feet. That’s 2,250 acres, roughly 70 football fields
- It’s permitted to use 23 million gallons of water PER DAY
- Estimates are saying 600 million gallons of water per year will be used
- Residents are seeing a tremendous amount of noise and bright lights
Who gives a shite, it provides work and jobs...Get off that high horse
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11771 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:09 am to
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Who gives a shite, it provides work and jobs..


If there is a data center that builds not far from your home...your property value decreases substantially, water pressure to your home decreases and your electric and water bills are higher. There is constant loud humming and bright lights to light up your home all night. Maybe you would enjoy that.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11771 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:17 am to
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The other travesty is that they will only use that water for cooling purposes so it should be good to put back in the environment


The water that has been used is too toxic to release into the environment...
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Key Concerns Regarding Cooling Tower Emissions:Drift (Contaminant Drift): While the vapor is pure, small liquid water droplets known as "drift" can be carried out of the tower by airflow. This drift can contain concentrated dissolved solids, scale inhibitors, biocide treatment chemicals, and heavy metals.

Legionella Bacteria: The warm, moist environment of cooling towers is a known breeding ground for Legionella bacteria. Proper maintenance and chemical treatment are required to prevent the release of these bacteria into the air.

Chemical Treatment Agents: To prevent scaling and corrosion, operators use chemical treatments, including biocides (like bromine (highly toxic)or chlorine dioxide) and inhibitors, which are concentrated in the remaining water and potentially released via drift.

Discharge (Blowdown): Roughly 20–30% of the water used is not evaporated but discharged as "blowdown," which is high in concentrated contaminants and can pose a risk to local water treatment facilities.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 4:02 pm to
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The water that has been used is too toxic to release into the environment...
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Key Concerns Regarding Cooling Tower Emissions:Drift (Contaminant Drift): While the vapor is pure, small liquid water droplets known as "drift" can be carried out of the tower by airflow. This drift can contain concentrated dissolved solids, scale inhibitors, biocide treatment chemicals, and heavy metals.

Legionella Bacteria: The warm, moist environment of cooling towers is a known breeding ground for Legionella bacteria. Proper maintenance and chemical treatment are required to prevent the release of these bacteria into the air.

Chemical Treatment Agents: To prevent scaling and corrosion, operators use chemical treatments, including biocides (like bromine (highly toxic)or chlorine dioxide) and inhibitors, which are concentrated in the remaining water and potentially released via drift.

Discharge (Blowdown): Roughly 20–30% of the water used is not evaporated but discharged as "blowdown," which is high in concentrated contaminants and can pose a risk to local water treatment facilities.


I worked 45 yrs in chem plants and it has been awhile since I have seen any statements as moronic as this. If this were remotely true we would be extinct by now. Every large building in every city in the world that is air conditioned has cooling towers for building AC.

Also anybody who has worked in such an industry where water is treated with chemicals like scale inhibitors and such is required by the EPA to be treated and analyzed before release to the environment and reported to the DEQ/EPA on a discharge monitoring report. We even had to do this for stormwater runoff on non production areas.

In the event that the water is docile enough it can be discharged to a municipal system for treatment then that is done for a fee and similar reporting requirements apply
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11771 posts
Posted on 5/28/26 at 4:09 pm to
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I worked 45 yrs in chem plants and it has been awhile since I have seen any statements as moronic as this. If this were remotely true we would be extinct by now.


That is an AI statement from google. We don't need artificial intelligence...we need actual intelligence.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11771 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 4:40 pm to
data centers can create “heat island” effects Scientists say both factors have the potential to stress bees and other pollinating insects

Research emerging in 2026 suggests that large AI-focused data centers can indeed create localized "heat islands" (or "data heat islands"), raising temperatures in their immediate surroundings. This phenomenon is driven by the massive amount of waste heat generated by intensive computing and expelled by cooling systems (such as chillers and fans).

Key Findings on Data Heat Islands (2026)

Temperature Increase: A study published in March/April 2026, looking at over 8,000 data centers, found that surface temperatures in surrounding areas can rise by an average of 3.6°F, with some cases showing increases up to 16°F.

Impact Area: These thermal plumes can impact areas up to 6.2 miles (about 10 km) away from the facilities.Affected Population: The "data heat island effect" could potentially affect more than 340 million people globally.

Urban & Rural Impact: While commonly associated with urban areas, the effect is also significant in rural locations where data centers are built, potentially affecting local agriculture and water resources.

Causes and MitigationCooling Systems: The primary cause is the discharge from air-cooled condensers or cooling towers, which release heat into the atmosphere.Operational Waste: The rapid expansion of AI requires 24/7 high-power computing, which creates substantial heat as a byproduct.

Mitigation Strategies: Proposed solutions to lessen this impact include:Implementing better, more efficient cooling technologies.Designing data centers with more eco-friendly materials.Reusing waste heat for community needs, such as heating homes.Creating green buffers around facilities.Some critics suggest the heat increase is not solely from the operating equipment, but also partly due to the replacement of vegetation with concrete/asphalt during construction.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11771 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:21 pm to
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Also anybody who has worked in such an industry where water is treated with chemicals like scale inhibitors and such is required by the EPA to be treated and analyzed before release to the environment and reported to the DEQ/EPA on a discharge monitoring report. We even had to do this for stormwater runoff on non production areas.

In the event that the water is docile enough it can be discharged to a municipal system for treatment then that is done for a fee and similar reporting requirements apply


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Officials identified Goat Systems LLC, a Delaware-based contractor on the 800,000 sq ft facility known as Project Cosmo, as being responsible. The city permanently revoked Meta’s authority to discharge waste into Cheyenne’s water treatment facilities, where it is recycled and used for irrigation in parks and other public spaces.

This post was edited on 7/9/26 at 5:04 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91541 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:29 pm to
Parish has 19,600 people. This is bringing 5,000 construction jobs, 500 direct jobs and another 1,000 indirect jobs.



Those people just hit the jackpot.




Oh and the 100s of millions in investment to your infrastructure and schools.



This post was edited on 7/9/26 at 4:31 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91541 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:36 pm to
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There is constant loud humming and bright lights to light up your home all night. Maybe you would enjoy that.


So like living near the hwy?


Sound walls have been a thing for a while. And this is better than building it in a suburb. Rural you can build it and not be close to anyone.


Now, the construction noise would suck.




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The large size of the Louisiana property gives Meta more room to buffer nearby residents than many other data centers have.





This post was edited on 7/9/26 at 4:37 pm
Posted by GetmorewithLes
UK Basketball Fan
Member since Jan 2011
23362 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:40 pm to
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Cupriavidus gilardii is a naturally occurring bacterium found in soil, regarded by health experts as an “opportunistic pathogen” harmful only to people with existing serious health conditions or weakened immune systems.


So a naturally occurring bacteria was in the water... What would a Data Center do to cause this? I know but you probably dont.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
140759 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:42 pm to
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FYI, my electric utility bills were insanely cheaper in California in 2022/2023
Do tell.
All info out there indicates CA electric bills are 2.5x those in LA.
This post was edited on 7/9/26 at 4:45 pm
Posted by rstamp1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
1523 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 4:58 pm to
I don’t believe any of this AI doomed bs. The water can be recycled so it doesn’t use new water every day. The data centers are building their own Entergy/utility so in peak demand the surrounding areas will tap into the data centers and result in lower Entergy prices. This narrative is being funded by China to far left NGO’s.
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
4143 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 5:04 pm to
They reuse the same water over and over. The sky is not falling. It is a big tax base for the locals. Don’t be afraid of the future. Be afraid of those primate centers where they test weird vaccines for stuff like Ebola and the chimps get out…..that happened in Covington a few years ago……
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
19782 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 5:06 pm to
Someone explain it to me like I am 5. Why do they have to tear down the data centers when new hardware comes out?

EDIT: AI told me that if a datacenter was built with only air cooling in mind (which is good enough for some older chips), then it is impossible to retrofit the building for liquid cooling. It is cheaper to tear it down.

This makes sense, but it begs the question why they don't just outfit the building with the plumbing for liquid cooling in the first place "just in case" it is required for new hardware.
This post was edited on 7/9/26 at 5:12 pm
Posted by dkreller
Laffy
Member since Jan 2009
34293 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 5:13 pm to
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Meta is paying for Entergy to build

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That means the consumers are paying the cost for building.

This post was edited on 7/9/26 at 5:14 pm
Posted by FluffyBunnyFeet
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2014
4049 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 5:17 pm to
This entire thread is brought to you by the CCP. Heavily funded luddite hysterics with the goal of winning the AI arms race.
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11771 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:24 pm to
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Those people just hit the jackpot.



If there is a data center that builds not far from your home...your property value decreases substantially, water pressure to your home decreases and your electric and water bills are higher. There is constant humming and bright lights to light up your home all night.

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Data center low-frequency noise and infrasound (\(<20\) Hz) can travel significant distances, often penetrating walls and windows with little attenuation. Under quiet or optimal atmospheric conditions, this hum can travel from 1,500 feet to over 3 miles from the facility.

Because this noise is characterized by its long wavelength and ability to easily penetrate structures, exposure to constant sub-audible vibrations can lead to various community and health disturbances.

Residents near large industrial sites report symptoms such as:

Sleep disturbances and fatigueHeadaches and dizziness

Unexplained physical pressure or discomfort Due to these pervasive impacts, noise analyses and zoning regulations have become increasingly common.

Yes, data centers can cause or increase tinnitus for many people. The persistent low-frequency humming and buzzing from powerful cooling systems, server fans, and backup generators often create disruptive noise and vibration pollution that damages hearing and causes stress and sleep deprivation.

Here are specific reasons why this happens:

High Noise Levels: Inside a data center, continuous noise levels frequently exceed the universally recognized threshold of 85 dB (and can reach 92–105 dB), which leads to hearing damage.

Low-Frequency Hum: Data centers are one of the few industrial facilities that generate penetrating low-frequency noise and vibrations. This constant background hum travels long distances and often results in "fight-or-flight" stress, headaches, and tinnitus for nearby residents.

Data center noise can severely affect dogs, causing profound physical distress, anxiety, and behavior changes. Because dogs have far more sensitive hearing than humans, continuous low-frequency hums and high-pitched mechanical whirs from cooling infrastructure hit them much harder
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
11771 posts
Posted on 7/9/26 at 6:27 pm to
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Sound walls have been a thing for a while. And this is better than building it in a suburb. Rural you can build it and not be close to anyone.


They are being built near neighborhoods not far from where we live. There is no "sound wall".
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