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re: 89% of SVBs $175 billion in deposits was not FDIC insured at the end of 2022
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:26 am to BeYou
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:26 am to BeYou
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WTF do you want them to do? open 2,500 bank accounts?
You're right. A billion dollar company doesn’t have the resources to do that.
Here, lemme open my wallet and help bail them out.
Get the frick outta here...
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 8:28 am
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:30 am to Cosmo
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How could anybody not make sure their money is under the 250k limit?
These are institutions, not mom and pop depositors.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:37 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:They will.
Now let’s see if the Feds have any questions for Mr. Becker.
That is especially true if they cannot secure an institutional buyer willing to pay for the privilege of service as a government whipping boy, and the government faces the need to bail SVB customers out.
Given the US Government's previous treatments of such institutional do-gooders, odds of finding a buyer (aka patsy) in this instance are virtually nil.
This post was edited on 3/11/23 at 8:39 am
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:45 am to Big Scrub TX
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Trying it on every board, huh? Just hoping for the worst, right?
Trying what? To have a discussion and not be a pompous arse like you?
Posted on 3/11/23 at 9:58 am to stout
quote:Nah. You're in it for the disaster porn. When I pointed out your disastrous assumptions in the OT thread were unfounded, you just ignored and moved the party over here.
Trying what? To have a discussion and not be a pompous arse like you?
It's OK. Just admit that you actively are hoping for bad things.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 1:16 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:yes we all want banks to fail so fedgov can bail them AGAIN out with even more of our money.
It's OK. Just admit that you actively are hoping for bad things.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:26 pm to Cosmo
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How could anybody not make sure their money is under the 250k limit?
This is the brain power we’re reasoning with on this board people
Posted on 3/11/23 at 3:50 pm to NC_Tigah
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That is especially true if they cannot secure an institutional buyer willing to pay for the privilege of service as a government whipping boy, and the government faces the need to bail SVB customers out.
There's likely enough there so the FDIC isn't out any money. Especially with the relatively low percentage of insured deposits.
The problem is the uninsured deposits. I can't see any major bank stepping up on this one.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 5:05 pm to stout
How can a bank with 175B$ in deposits, fail?
Serious mismanagement or awful economic government policy....my guess.
Serious mismanagement or awful economic government policy....my guess.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 5:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
SVB is being brought down intentionally,many more to follow , do you know what to do?
Posted on 3/11/23 at 5:53 pm to stout
Here's an interesting assessment of non-political companies vs. the woke.
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Is ESG Profitable? The Numbers Don’t Lie, SHAREHOLDERS LOSE
Corporations that remain neutral on social and political issues outperform companies that lean left. When the business of business is no longer business, it may be unclear who wins, but it’s clear that shareholders lose.
Capitalists invest money, and manage companies, to do well financially. Proponents of so-called woke capitalism claim that companies can do “well” financially by doing “good” politically. The idea is that advancing a political agenda will also enhance profits and shareholder returns. Whether this does good is a matter of opinion, but whether it does well can be measured.
Woke capitalism makes its way into financial markets through an ill-defined concept known as environmental, social and governance investing. Huge investment managers use their ownership of shares to pressure companies to jump on the ESG train. But while individual investors are free to support whatever causes they wish with their dollars, those who invest other peoples’ money have a fiduciary duty to focus solely on clients’ financial interests. Thus it’s important to know whether politically focused companies actually do produce superior financial results.
To answer this question, we used research from 2ndVote Analytics Inc., a company that scores U.S. large-cap and midcap companies on their social and political engagement on five-point scale. Analytics evaluates company data on six social/political issues—the environment, education, abortion, Second Amendment rights, other basic constitutional freedoms and support for a safe civil society—and also generates a composite score. Company scores, updated quarterly, range from 1 (most liberal) to 5 (most conservative), with 3 meaning neutral or unengaged.
On average, roughly a quarter (or 221) of the S&P 900 large/mid-cap companies studied scored 3—taking no political or social stance on any of these six issues—during the period from June 30, 2021 (when the data was first available), through Jan. 31, 2023. Of the remaining companies, the political tilt was strongly to the left. More than 59% scored liberal, and under 15% conservative (with only one company higher than 4).
We used a neutral score of 3 as a proxy for companies that focus on investors’ returns rather than activism. We then compared the performance of those neutral companies with the market (represented by the S&P 500 and Russell 1000) as well as major ESG-registered funds. The point is to demonstrate how well a portfolio of business-focused politically neutral companies performs compared with those potentially distracted by political issues.
In making this comparison, we used a third-party index-calculation agent and market-value weighting in a manner similar to the S&P 500 and Russell 1000 benchmarks (total returns). The ESG products’ returns include the effect of fees; the neutral-universe and benchmark indexes don’t. The analysis covers the full period for which company scores were available, including the market runup in the last half of 2021, the 2022 bear market and the early-2023 rebound.
The results are compelling. The market was down overall, by 1.8% for the S&P 500 and 3.2% for the Russell 1000. ESG funds performed worse, with most losing 2.5% to 6.3%. A simple index composed of only neutral companies gained 2.9%, significantly outperforming both broad-market and ESG indexes in up and down markets. Notably, the benchmarks include the outperforming neutral companies—indicating that the politically active companies further underperformed.
We checked the robustness of this result in several additional analyses by varying the time frame (extending the index return calculation back five and 10 years) and the index construction (weighting). Across each time frame, the index of neutral companies significantly outperformed the S&P and Russell benchmarks. Essentially none of the performance difference could be attributed to sectoral composition or to how recently stocks were added to the indexes.
For a longer view, we compared the performance of the more than 200 companies that remained neutral over our data period with the benchmarks over the past 10 years. The neutral portfolio’s cumulative return (334%) outgained the market (230%); the results were substantially more compelling using equal-weighted returns as an alternative method.
One interesting result is the point at which performance notably begins deviating—2017-18, around the time companies (and perhaps their profits and returns) began feeling pressure from the power and influence of supposedly passive asset managers such as BlackRock, State Street and Vanguard, as those behemoths’ push into ESG intensified.
The data indicate that, as common sense would suggest, companies that focus on profits outperform companies that don’t. As a corollary, it seems obvious that asset managers won’t maximize shareholder returns if that isn’t their focus. It’s hard enough to generate profits and returns when that isyour focus, let alone when you’re trying to change the world.
When the business of business is no longer business, it may be unclear who wins, but it’s clear that shareholders lose.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 7:26 pm to stout
Swalwell is a fricking idiot.
FDIC limit is the limit for a reason. The idea is that individual investors don’t lose their life savings if the bank fails. Not that the guy shooting up black prostitutes with drugs and ODing them doesn’t lose the money above $250k in the account.
FDIC limit is the limit for a reason. The idea is that individual investors don’t lose their life savings if the bank fails. Not that the guy shooting up black prostitutes with drugs and ODing them doesn’t lose the money above $250k in the account.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 8:00 pm to BeYou
Serious question. You seem to want fed government to provide free insurance on their cash assets these companies had at SVB. Do you want fed government to provide free insurance on their other assets?
Posted on 3/11/23 at 9:56 pm to stout
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. If depositors lose confidence on the safety of their deposits over 250k then we are in trouble.
If FDIC only protects 250k then tough luck they knew the risk
Posted on 3/11/23 at 9:58 pm to AubieinNC2009
This is how banks have always operated in this country.
Your money is only as safe as the public faith in the system.
Your money is only as safe as the public faith in the system.
Posted on 3/11/23 at 10:11 pm to KillTheGophers
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Every penny will be recouped by depositors from our federal government.
More accurately they will be recouped from YOU. And me.
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