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Posted on 1/8/26 at 8:05 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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By reversing into a turn, the officer found himself directly in her path and in danger without he himself changing positions
Posted on 1/8/26 at 10:44 pm to IndianPower
quote:It isn't about winning. It's about what is right and what is wrong.
You are winning today, champ.
Posted on 1/8/26 at 10:59 pm to the808bass
Caveat...only for the enforcement of immigration and custom laws. They can arrest someone for obstruction, if they are in the performance of these duties.
Found the following quote on ICE.gov. Thought it was pretty ironic:
ICE officials use reasonable and necessary force when someone resists arrest. ICE officers and agents prioritize safety — including the safety of the people they arrest — and are highly trained in de-escalation.
Found the following quote on ICE.gov. Thought it was pretty ironic:
ICE officials use reasonable and necessary force when someone resists arrest. ICE officers and agents prioritize safety — including the safety of the people they arrest — and are highly trained in de-escalation.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:06 am to TX Tiger
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It isn't about winning. It's about what is right and what is wrong.
Well, OK, let's take a look at that statement
1. Is coming from another state to put yourself perpendicular in a roadway to block in the traffic right or wrong
2. Is refusing to get out of your vehicle when law-enforcement officers command you right or wrong
3. Is putting your vehicle in drive and accelerating after being told to exit your vehicle right or wrong?
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 9:07 am
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:20 am to rwestmore7
Ah! There it is. The leftest is emerging from you. Gun control your next talking point? Because guns kill people, right? People kill people.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:25 am to dafif
quote:I don't know how to respond to that until I'm told which political party is assigned to which answer.
It isn't about winning. It's about what is right and what is wrong.
Well, OK, let's take a look at that statement
1. Is coming from another state to put yourself perpendicular in a roadway to block in the traffic right or wrong
quote:Depends on the situation. You are not obligated to respond to an unlawful request.
2. Is refusing to get out of your vehicle when law-enforcement officers command you right or wrong
quote:Again, depends on the situation.
3. Is putting your vehicle in drive and accelerating after being told to exit your vehicle right or wrong?
Not sure what your point was in this exercise.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:27 am to rwestmore7
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No they can't. ICE doesn’t have general police authority. Their powers come from federal immigration law. For a U.S. citizen, they can’t just detain you for “basic law breaking” unless they have a proper federal warrant or are enforcing a crime they’re actually authorized to enforce. Otherwise, they have no lawful basis to hold you.
Look at the guy giving potentially dangerous legal advice on the internet.
It’s idiots like you who think thy know the laws because someone posted it on DU.
Interfering with ICE agents, particularly by obstructing their lawful duties, is a federal crime and can lead to prosecution under laws like 18 U.S.C. § 111, resulting in felony charges for assault, resistance, interfering or impeding federal officers.
What Constitutes Interference?
Physical Obstruction/Assault: Physically blocking, touching, or assaulting an ICE officer is a serious federal offense.
Failure to Comply: Not providing requested identification or failing to follow lawful orders from an ICE officer can also be a federal crime, as stated in the Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (e-CFR).
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:38 am to Antonio Moss
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Well, not to mention that you can watch the video and see that the tires are pointed straight at the officers in the front of the vehicle and make several rotations in that direction.
Also if the tires are to the right when she starts to reverse that puts the car even more in line with the officer.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:43 am to L.A.
Cop sides with cop. Surprise.
quote:Highly objective analysis.
Brian has the luxury of sitting in an air-conditioned office in his mini-mansion in a gated neighborhood protected by armed security, judging someone who has more courage than Brian could ever fathom.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:44 am to rltiger
You DO realize that the two of you are discussing completely unrelated issues, right?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 9:51 am to L.A.
I don't need anyone with years of experience to explain to me what is justified or isn't justified. There is video that shows everything. We have video that shows where he is standing. There is video that shows he can't see the wheels from where he is standing, There is video that shows the officer being struck by the vehicle... more than just a nudge a violent hit. She was about to be arrested for committing a felony. All of this is on video.
Leftist don't care about the law. Leftist think breaking the law is not grounds for arrest. Prove me wrong.
Leftist don't care about the law. Leftist think breaking the law is not grounds for arrest. Prove me wrong.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:23 am to rwestmore7
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No they can't. ICE doesn’t have general police authority. Their powers come from federal immigration law. For a U.S. citizen, they can’t just detain you for “basic law breaking” unless they have a proper federal warrant or are enforcing a crime they’re actually authorized to enforce. Otherwise, they have no lawful basis to hold you.
Jesus Christ. You have no idea what you're talking about. Shut the frick up if you don't know something. ICE agents, as with all federal agents, can enforce Title 18, Title 31 and Title 19 federal laws in addition to their Title 8 immigration authority.
You don't think an ICE agent can enforce federal obstruction law?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:26 am to rwestmore7
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An officer can’t bootstrap authority. If ICE has no lawful jurisdiction over a U.S. citizen in that moment, then there is no “lawful duty” being obstructed. Obstruction doesn’t give them new powers, it depends on the powers they already have.
You sound like one of those Sovereign Citizen idiots.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:32 am to TX Tiger
Lol. Define the unlawful request you ignorant shitbag.
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:34 am to rwestmore7
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If you are a U.S. citizen, ICE has NO LAWFUL BASIS to detain you
This is false. Where did you get this idea?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:35 am to rwestmore7
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No they can't. ICE doesn’t have general police authority. Their powers come from federal immigration law. For a U.S. citizen, they can’t just detain you for “basic law breaking” unless they have a proper federal warrant or are enforcing a crime they’re actually authorized to enforce. Otherwise, they have no lawful basis to hold you.
cite your basis. Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:36 am to TX Tiger
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It isn't about winning. It's about what is right and what is wrong.
Is trying to run over a federal agent right or wrong?
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:37 am to Delupe
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and are highly trained in de-escalation.
Id say the de-escalated the threat of the crazy last running over people pretty effectively. Wouldn’t you?
This post was edited on 1/9/26 at 10:39 am
Posted on 1/9/26 at 10:40 am to rwestmore7
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If you are a U.S. citizen, ICE has NO LAWFUL BASIS to detain you under immigration law just because it suspects a violation of those laws.
They don't have legal authority to civilly detain a U.S. citizen. BUT, ICE agents have the same authority as other federal law enforcement officers like the FBI or U.S. Marshals when it comes to enforcing federal criminal laws.
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