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re: 2nd plane from an angle I had not seen.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:05 am to VoxDawg
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:05 am to VoxDawg
quote:My "conspiracy theory" was that the administration knew of one or two hijackings but thought they were going to be "typical" ones and that would get them public support for war in Iraq / ME. They were willing to sacrifice a plane or two that were only 1/4 or 1/5 full.
Specific threats about OBL seeking to hijack commercial airliners was in the Presidential Daily Briefing on Aug 6, 2001, IIRC.
34 days before 9/11.
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Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:08 am to TerryDawg03
quote:This is the worst defense. There was literally a plaque inside the observation tower depicting a plane hitting one of the towers and stating that they were designed to withstand a direct hit from the biggest plane at the time, a 737.
Using jet liners as missiles against those towers had never occurred to people. It’s easy to see the potential in hindsight, but no one ever thought this would happen.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:09 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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I’m no building science guy or engineer, but I’ve tried to explain to people why the second tower fell 1st. It’s because the first tower had less mass above the impact site which put less stress relatively speaking than the second tower. Because it was hit lower, all those extra floors over the impact site meant that much more stress on the damaged & fire weakened support system / structure.
That’s exactly the reason. It didn’t only have more compression stress (force pushing down), but bending stress (sideways push due to wind, etc).
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:11 am to CBLSU316
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.there is no way in hell that the US did not know something big was coming
I still think 9/11 was a failure of the Clinton Administration. They had to know something.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:20 am to Chimlim
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I still think 9/11 was a failure of the Clinton Administration.
Clinton could have took out Bin Laden. He had multiple chances throughout 98-00. They are documented in the 9/11 report.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:23 am to GhostOfFreedom
Every year I learn more on the anniversary. This year i watched the history channel and saw this angle for the first time.
Nor did I know that Flt 93's last moments were classified for family only.
A lot of our agencies that get plenty of funding failed us on 911. The FAA and NORAD could not communicate. DOD was a sitting duck with VPOTUS in a bunker.
Even with all of that and shock-even thinking the first plane was some dude that had a heart attack and crashed his plane. were the skies not being watched by NORAD? By the FAA? So we could see the second plane coming?
Air traffic control had to watch the second plane veer off course-but because of the ineptitude of NORADs radars not being capable within CONUS but pointed towards an outward threat. The second plane happened...
The Pentagon plane happening blows my mind how inept the DOD is/was.
Yes, we would have had to shoot a domestic airliner out of the sky but they didn't see it coming to evac the buildings sooner?
Nor did I know that Flt 93's last moments were classified for family only.
A lot of our agencies that get plenty of funding failed us on 911. The FAA and NORAD could not communicate. DOD was a sitting duck with VPOTUS in a bunker.
Even with all of that and shock-even thinking the first plane was some dude that had a heart attack and crashed his plane. were the skies not being watched by NORAD? By the FAA? So we could see the second plane coming?
Air traffic control had to watch the second plane veer off course-but because of the ineptitude of NORADs radars not being capable within CONUS but pointed towards an outward threat. The second plane happened...
The Pentagon plane happening blows my mind how inept the DOD is/was.
Yes, we would have had to shoot a domestic airliner out of the sky but they didn't see it coming to evac the buildings sooner?
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:24 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:31 am to mmcgrath
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There was literally a plaque inside the observation tower depicting a plane hitting one of the towers and stating that they were designed to withstand a direct hit from the biggest plane at the time, a 737.
That may be. And that’s fine. I’m not saying that the towers weren’t designed to withstand accidental impacts.
But I can assure you that they didn’t expect two fully-fueled jet liners set for nationwide flights to intentionally target those towers on the same morning by pilots trained to hit them in strategic positions to make them fall.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:33 am to Chimlim
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still think 9/11 was a failure of the Clinton Administration. They had to know something.
The CIA had its own “Bin Laden Issue Station” established in 1996. That is, there was an entire group of people who made their living (US taxpayer dollars) following OBL’s every move at least since 1996.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:35 am to GhostOfFreedom
Ive seen that before. But I saw a video the other day of a reporter doing a live shot at the towers right as one of them started falling. You could hear the building cracking and crumbling. It was something to see.
ETA: this is the video. LINK
ETA: this is the video. LINK
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 10:49 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:45 am to GhostOfFreedom
Also, remember this when watching this video.....
1/6 was worse.
1/6 was worse.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:53 am to LSU316
quote:TSA didn't exist. They were created as a response to this, but yeah. I've had to throw away my 1 inch keychain pocket knife, long before 9/11, but these guys were let through no problem with much more potentially harmful objects.
shows you exactly how incompetent TSA and the screeners were at the time.....
And the response, from the "republican" president was to triple the size of the government.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:56 am to GhostOfFreedom
I have a family member who thinks no planes actually hit the towers. 999 videos of 2nd tower getting hit LIVE but he found one video that was edited to remove the plane against a solid blue sky.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:00 am to CBLSU316
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I just recently saw that angle. I am no conspiracy guy but the more and more I watch on 9/11.........there is no way in hell that the US did not know something big was coming. Im not saying it was an inside job but Id like to know what we knew and when we knew it.
there is a pretty in depth documentary about our tracking of the hijackers up to that point. in short, we knew they were up to no good ever since they got here.
i'll try to find it
Road to 9/11 - History Channel
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:05 am to GhostOfFreedom
Horrible....I'm just suspicious of how the Towers collapsed. It was a total "pancake collapse" that indicates a domino structural failure. I think the planes were the "trigger" that supplied the initial heat, fuel, etc., but alone cannot cause a total pancake collapse. I'm suspicious of our gov't. Just posting an article from a decade ago:
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:06 am to cajunangelle
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ineptitude
it wasn't ineptitude. The number of failuresand/or coincidences that day are just statistically impossible.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:15 am to September 1948
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I have watched it 8 times and it appears as if something comes out the opposite side. Was that just debris or some of the plane?
Regardless, that was an evil thing to do to the US and we should have never let people from those countries in to our country.
I believe they found the front landing gear on the street a few blocks away. There were several pieces of the plane that got blown out of the building. You have to remember the plane was going 500 MPH so it is possible for some debris to go thru the entire building without losing all it's velocity.
EDIT : Here is the photo form West and Rector streets
One of the engines from Murray and Church Streets:
Part of plane at the base of he towers.
Here is a link to an article where they found a piece wedged between two buildings in 2013.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/04/26/us/new-york-9-11-plane-part/index.html
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 11:45 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:21 am to 87PurpleandGold
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Horrible....I'm just suspicious of how the Towers collapsed. It was a total "pancake collapse" that indicates a domino structural failure.
A Near-Simultaneous Failure of All Columns will make a building fall exactly how they did.
The perimeter columns of the building aided the center columns in support. While the blast furnace of flames was making the center columns more malleable, the outer, and damaged, columns were bearing more and more load. When the exterior columns, themselves gave away, the center columns, already stressed with more load and damage from heat and shear,were already past the point of no return.
Therefore, you had a A Near-Simultaneous Failure of All Columns.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 11:24 am
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:33 am to UAinSOUTHAL
Yeah, that angle really shows how fast the plane was moving.
On initial impact it seems as the plane is going to go clear through the tower and out the other side.
On initial impact it seems as the plane is going to go clear through the tower and out the other side.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:35 am to TerryDawg03
The US was warned this was a possibility, that terrorists would hijack planes and use them as missiles. Condoleeze rice knew it was possible. Did they know the targets and dates? Who knows but our government knew this was a possibility.
Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. There, "U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner" into the summit, prompting officials to "close the airspace over Genoa and station antiaircraft guns at the city’s airport." [Sources: Los Angeles Times, 9/27/01; White House release, 7/22/01]
There's more that knew this was a possibility if you keep researching.
Condoleezza Rice was the top National Security official with President Bush at the July 2001 G-8 summit in Genoa. There, "U.S. officials were warned that Islamic terrorists might attempt to crash an airliner" into the summit, prompting officials to "close the airspace over Genoa and station antiaircraft guns at the city’s airport." [Sources: Los Angeles Times, 9/27/01; White House release, 7/22/01]
There's more that knew this was a possibility if you keep researching.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 11:36 am to Homesick Tiger
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the building was already on fire
No, it was not. You understand there were two buildings, correct? And that the smoke you see in the video prior to the plane impact is from the other building?
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