re: 2nd plane from an angle I had not seen.

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I don't doubt their intentions most the times though. The shady shite that has been revealed in the past 6 years is enough to make anyone question anything the government says.

That being said, there can be truths behind shady shite on 9/11 without defying the laws of physics. After all, the dims are the party of "science." /sarcasm/:

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The problem is they bring in crap like "planes didn't take down the towers" or "jet fuel doesn't melt steel!" which completely destroys any credibility they may have on other stuff.

Perhaps the government did have intel. Perhaps they didn't act when they should have. Perhaps there really was some super shady shite going on.

Fine. Go with that angle and show your work.

Don't include shite that defies physics as people that know better will just tune you out.

Let’s for a moment assume there was no conspiracy at all. I believe hijackers carried out a terrorist plot. I’m not denying or arguing against that point at all.

There is a 20min gap between the original hijack alert and the NORAD response.

There is a full hour between the NORAD alert and the first tower collision and the plane that hit the pentagon.

There’s a full 14 minutes from 77 known to he hijacked and it hitting the pentagon.

That doesn’t say much for the reaction and security of what is supposed to be one of the most secure and important buildings on earth.

We here so much about our defense capabilities but in reality we were pretty much defenseless.

And if all of that it true, literally the only thing that saved the White House and everyone in it on 9/11 was a random 40 min delay in takeoff for a random plane.

Here is the timeline:

• 8:19 am – Flight attendants aboard Flight 11 alert ground personnel that the plane has been hijacked; American Airlines notifies the FBI.

• 8:20 am – American Airlines Flight 77 takes off from Dulles International Airport outside of Washington, D.C. The Boeing 757 is headed to Los Angeles with 64 people aboard.

• 8:40 am – Air traffic controllers at The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) alert North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD)’s Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) about the suspected hijacking of Flight 11. In response, NEADS scrambles two fighter planes located at Cape Cod’s Otis Air National Guard Base to locate and tail Flight 11; they are not yet in the air when Flight 11 crashes into the North Tower.

• 8:41 am – United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757 with 44 people aboard, takes off from Newark International Airport en route to San Francisco. It had been scheduled to depart at 8:00 am, around the time of the other hijacked flights.

• 8:46 am – hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 11 crash the plane into floors 93-99 of the North Tower of the World Trade Center

• 9:03 am – Hijackers crash United Airlines Flight 175 into floors 75-85 of the WTC’s South Tower

• 9:24 am – The FAA notified NEADS of the suspected hijacking of Flight 77 after some passengers and crew aboard are able to alert family members on the ground.

• 9:37 am – Hijackers aboard Flight 77 crash the plane into the western façade of the Pentagon

Exactly my point, no way would the government allow a passenger jet flown by terrorists free reigns of whatever it wants to hit around DC...

I understand your point, but if a random guy makes a bomb threat at a supermarket in Carencro there would be an immediate response to the threat. To believe that the US would ever allow its Capital to be defenseless against any threat more than a gunman is hard to comprehend with the defense budget even back then. I'm sure we've had semi-capable missile defense systems engineered since the Cold War

Naval officer had prior knowledge of 9/11

We in the U.S. haven't heard much about this, but I personally know of people involved with the case above.
Never quite believed it, but also could not fully shake it off.

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Our government is either ridiculously grossly incompetent or horrifically evil.

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Grossly incompetent for sure. Evil is up for discussion.

Why stop an event that leads to something as profitable as a 20 year war?

To be clear, firstly, I am not saying they were brought down by “explosives” or “thermite”. But I am considering evidence in the debris and other models and papers by Civil Engineers stating that planes were not enough to collapse the Towers.

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1) What kind of scientific study is even considered on samples that were given to the researchers 6 years after the collapse? Not kept in a sterile environment. Kept by ordinary people showing it to everyone who asks what that jar is on the mantle.

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Not sure why the timelapse in collecting the samples. I do know it took a long time to go through it. Ideally, it would have been better of course to have the samples sooner rather than later. However, we are not talking organic material. Metals stay intact. Particularly, thermitic material is literally aluminum and iron oxide which was found in the debris.

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2) I point to the part of “ Other peaks included calcium, sul-fur, zinc, chromium and potassium. The occurrence of these elements could be attributed to surface contamination due to the fact that the analysis was performed on the as-collected surface of the red layer.”

Outright admission of contamination of the sample.

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Of course you are going to find calcium, and zinc, etc after sitting in a pile of debris from a super structure such as the Towers. The calcium and sulfur may be from the pulverized gypsum from the wallboard in the Towers. So, no surprise; especially after six years. But that doesn’t negate the fact that thermitic material was in the debris.

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3). That paper never states the stuff is thermite. No where. I looked three times. It said it reminded them of it. That’s it. Elsewhere it said they didn’t even try to identify what it was. Only that they would like to compare it with an actual sample.

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The term, “Thermitic material” is used ALL throughout the paper. This is referring to active, energetic aluminum and iron oxide, i.e. there is enough material in the debris to trigger intense heat once enough heat is provided. The last sentence of Point 4 on page 21 literally states, “The evidence for active, highly energetic thermitic material in the WTC dust is compelling.”

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4). They keep alluding to the concentration of Iron oxide (rust) and aluminum in the sample…. Well.. these were triple digit floor buildings with iron, steel, and aluminum in the structure. There may have been a little of that in the rubble.

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The analysis differentiated between oxidized aluminum and elemental or free aluminum and iron oxide exist in the red material by using MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) in Point 2. However, that didn’t mean it was thermitic. They tested the material with a Calorimeter, and there was thermitic material there. They only provided 430 C (806 degF) of heat to cause ignition. (Last paragraph of Point 5 on page 22.)

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5) the paper basically makes no conclusions. None. There are maybes. Perhaps. Reminds them of. Etc. Nothing conclusive.

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Page 29 of the Study literally shows 10 conclusions. The last sentence states: “…we conclude that the red layer of the red/gray chips we have discovered in the WTC dust is active, unreacted thermitic material, incorporating nanotechnology, and is a highly energetic pyrotechnic or explosive material.”

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Ok. Let’s look at some logic.

-if there was thermite in the building around the beams…. How did it stand as long as it did? Thermite melted beams would have resulted in collapse MUCH sooner than it actually happened.

-how did they get a boatload of it in the building unnoticed? Applied to the columns? Any records of construction work that was invasive enough to get to the columns? Any witnesses to torn down and replaced walls? Remember… the buildings had center support columns as well as the perimeter. So they would be walking through offices to place it.

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These are great questions. I’m guessing that the material could be applied by painting or spraying the beams, possibly?? I’m sure there were regular maintenance projects or inspections going on. So, if I were really diving in, that’s the first place I’d check.

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-how did a thermite substance not simply explode when exposed to the burning jet fuel? And simply result in subsequent explosions after the crash?

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I think if someone really knew what they were doing, causing an extreme exothermic reaction as opposed to a literal explosion would do the trick. It’s a good question for a demolition expert, but looking at the chemistry of it, I’m fairly confident it could be done.

Again, I’m not saying the WTC collapsed with 100% certainty by thermitic material; however, there seems to be enough evidence and analytical data to at least cause one to doubt. I find it hard to believe that jets alone caused the collapse. However, they definitely could provide the heat to trigger the thermitic material to cause intense heat needed for the catastrophic failure. It makes me sick just thinking it, but I’ve learned over the past 50 years, that I have to question both the media and, sadly, our own government and the narratives they push.

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The CIA coordinated this.

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Yes, yes they did. Probably the same exact agents that trained and funded Bin Laden in the 80's.

It was bombed in 93. It was a target for sure but I agree that specific method of destruction was not identified until it was too late.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O'Neill