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re: Whitetail rifle shot placement debate.
Posted on 1/9/21 at 5:43 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 1/9/21 at 5:43 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Do yall never have to shoot deer offhand or in a hurry or in an awkward position? Trying to shoot small out of a tripod sucks.
Offhand? Not often. I've killed one offhand and shot it dead in the chest. It ran 40 yards. It was a yearling and that was years ago.
I've shot from ladder stands but now it's all box blinds. Up to 150yds if a deer is just standing there facing me in a narrow lane, I'm shooting the neck. Broadside I've shot 3 in the neck but that's not the preferred shot placement. And those 3 were at the neck shoulder, in the middle. Deer facing me is a neck shot every time. I've missed once and the deer did not move. Shot again and he dropped.
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Posted on 1/9/21 at 9:42 pm to saintsfan1977
You just haven’t shot a lot of deer. Maybe you kill a limit sitting in a box stand looking at a feeder in a food plot. Good for you.
Deer facing you “neck shot” is still far less forgiving than shooting the deer through the ribs. You are comparing a target the size of a softball to one the size of a cafeteria tray.
Also, you suck at blood trailing. You’d be a shitty Indian.
Deer facing you “neck shot” is still far less forgiving than shooting the deer through the ribs. You are comparing a target the size of a softball to one the size of a cafeteria tray.
Also, you suck at blood trailing. You’d be a shitty Indian.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 12:07 am to tenfoe
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You just haven’t shot a lot of deer. Maybe you kill a limit sitting in a box stand looking at a feeder in a food plot. Good for you.
I've killed enough in the 20+ years ive hunted. No feeders but corn poured on the ground. No food plots.
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Deer facing you “neck shot” is still far less forgiving than shooting the deer through the ribs. You are comparing a target the size of a softball to one the size of a cafeteria tray.
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Also, you suck at blood trailing. You’d be a shitty Indian.
Lmao. If there is no blood at all its tough to find a deer. I've had a complete pass through with no blood at all. I could see the hoof prints for 50 yards and watched it run for 100yds before it was out if sight. Not a drop of blood. The buzzards found it for me.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 2:47 am to saintsfan1977
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They lack confidence in themselves or their rifles. If a deer is facing you and looking dead at you, why wouldn't you put a bullet in that white patch on the throat?
I'm arguing against neck shots and is take that if it was all I could get.
Everybody talking about how many deer drop after a neck shot. No one is arguing it's not lethal. We're arguing there are just as lethal shots with much less room for error. You have a higher percent chance of injuring the deer with a neck shot vs vitals So the ONLY argument for a neck shot is no tracking.
I can shoot just fine and highly confident in my abilities thanks. I just don't see a need to make killing deer more difficult
Y'all just don't want to walk 50 yards in the woods to drag one out.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 3:42 am to SportTiger1
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Y'all just don't want to walk 50 yards in the woods to drag one out.
I have a dog. I rather shoot it and have it run off just so he can find it. The drag doesn't bother me. I don't have to drag more than 100yds. Didn't do it this year though. My kids are going to be shooting this year though. No neck shots for them.
This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 3:43 am
Posted on 1/10/21 at 4:47 am to Miketheseventh
Just stop with the “it either drops or you miss” bs on neck shots. There’s a third scenario with a neck shot. The deer gets a nasty wound and gets away.
Years ago, I had a doe at fairly close range. I decided on the neck shot for instant kill. As I was taking the slack out of the trigger, a nearby dog opened up and the doe jerked her head up. Too late to stop my trigger pull. Doe with a neck wound went off my cousins property where we weren’t allowed to trail.
Years ago, I had a doe at fairly close range. I decided on the neck shot for instant kill. As I was taking the slack out of the trigger, a nearby dog opened up and the doe jerked her head up. Too late to stop my trigger pull. Doe with a neck wound went off my cousins property where we weren’t allowed to trail.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 6:08 am to 257WBY
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Just stop with the “it either drops or you miss” bs on neck shots
I know I never claimed that. A neck shot can certainly leave a wounded deer if that bullet doesn't touch bone or the jugular. I've only made a few neck shots and they've all dropped. I don't normally take those shots but I'm not afraid of them either.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 11:40 am to SportTiger1
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Mid vitals I.e right behind should about 1/3 from the bottom
Too much room for error in neck shots. There is a LOT of space in the neck that wouldn't be fatal if something went wrong. Especially at any distance.
I agree 100%.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 1:54 pm to Donkeypunch
I hunt a 10 acre field from a box stand I built. I have 2x4's for a solid rest and use the high shoulder shot. Longest shot possible is 225 yards and with hand loads my 270 shoots 1.2" groups at 200 yards. I zero at 200 so I am within 2" from zero to 230 yards or so, perfect where I hunt. With my bad back I'm not keen on dragging a deer or asking anyone else to so I do my best to drop them in the field so I can drive up to them and we can load it up easier. I load 140 grain Hornady BTSP at 3050 fps and they will drive through both shoulders. I'll sacrifice a few lbs of shoulder meat for not having to drag one.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 3:27 pm to T4
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Nice to meet you
Opinion on Neck Shots- Meh
Holy moly, I hope that's not you! Yikes!
Posted on 1/10/21 at 3:37 pm to tenfoe
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I can assure you when I was a kid some dumbass old man told me (contrary to my father’s instructions) to shoot em in the neck and that resulted in me shooting a deer mid-neck with a .270 that we trailed for half a mile before he bled out.
Telling people neck shot and not specifying base of the neck tight to the shoulder centered up and down is misleading.
And I think you are a jackass for preaching to everyone to take neck shots. Just shoot the deer through the lungs. As long as you aren’t handicapped or a total fricking lazy slob you can track a deer the 50-100 yds he’s gonna run. If you go hunting and cannot track a lethally shot deer you are a bum.
Personally, I'm not a huge fan of a .270, I think the bullet travels too fast and doesn't do enough destruction. I've helped track several shot with a .270 and the shots good chest/lung shots, but the deer traveled a long way. That's why i specified a 30.06 at a hundred or less yards.
I don't know how to post pics, but a I have good neck shot examples.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 3:47 pm to greenbean
There is nothing wrong with a .270.... there are many calibers that are traveling really fast and kill plenty of deer efficiently. Hell, that .243 i shoot shoot is scalding hot and kills them just fine. Bullet selection and shot placement are key.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 3:52 pm to greenbean
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Personally, I'm not a huge fan of a .270, I think the bullet travels too fast and doesn't do enough destruction.
bullshite. It has to do with the bullet.
I load 110 gr bullets in my 270wsm and I clocked them at just over 3500fps. When those little copper things hit a deer, its like lightning strikes them.
If you aren't getting enough destruction in your eyes, change bullets.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 4:00 pm to saintsfan1977
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ull shite. It has to do with the bullet.
I load 110 gr bullets in my 270wsm and I clocked them at just over 3500fps. When those little copper things hit a deer, its like lightning strikes them.
If you aren't getting enough destruction in your eyes, change bullets.
I don't shot a .270. But I've help tracked .270 wounded deer, that were hit spots that my 30.06 would have dropped in their tracks. Just my personal experience, yours may vary.
This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 1/10/21 at 4:06 pm to greenbean
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tracked .270 wounded deer, that were hit spots that my 30.06 would have dropped in their tracks.
Oh boy you done poked a hornet nest there
I'll pile on. IMO .270 can be almost too much of a meat grenade. I've seen a deer shot with one before that went in and out right behind the shoulder, and all of the guts were busted. Both sides were full of jello meat. It was horrible. It was top 5 most jacked up deer I've ever cleaned and I it was only shot once. Crazy stuff happens sometimes.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 4:22 pm to greenbean
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But I've help tracked .270 wounded deer, that were hit spots that my 30.06 would have dropped in their tracks.
Lol. You are ridiculous. They’re almost the same cartridge. If you’ve shot enough deer you would know you can shoot 10 deer in identical places and have 5 different outcomes.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 4:35 pm to tenfoe
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Lol. You are ridiculous. They’re almost the same cartridge. If you’ve shot enough deer you would know you can shoot 10 deer in identical places and have 5 different outcomes.
Generally speaking the .270 is a faster, lighter bullet and is a great round (along with the 6.5 woundmore) for squirrel hunting.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 6:02 pm to greenbean
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don't shot a .270. But I've help tracked .270 wounded deer, that were hit spots that my 30.06 would have dropped in their tracks. Just my personal experience, yours may vary.
Wait, you actually think that slightly necking down your magic .30-06 And using maybe 25gr lighter (or maybe the same weight) bullet suddenly makes it a bad deer round?
.270 has killed a shite pile of deer, drt and otherwise. Your sample size is essentially zero, and likely highly biased. I bet those same guys who called you to help track their deer didn’t need to call you when one just dropped.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 6:15 pm to ccard257
I try to visualize the bullet passing through the vitals and breaking the opposite shoulder. Vitals hit and broken bones tend to result in shorter tracking.
Of course a neck shot is awesome if it’s a short shot.
Of course a neck shot is awesome if it’s a short shot.
Posted on 1/10/21 at 6:28 pm to greenbean
If you are wounding deer with any modern deer cartridge and ammo that’s a you problem. Either you can’t shoot, you take bad shots or you’re one of those guys that’s dusts off the ole .300 win mag once a year and goes hunting. It’s not the arrow, it’s the indian. End Thread
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