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re: Speck Decision Already Made

Posted on 2/17/20 at 6:59 pm to
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 6:59 pm to
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You can catch as many as you want. You just can’t keep more than 5. Studies have been shown that heart disease and depression increase in speckled trout communities where entire families are torn apart quickly. The 5 fish limit will ensure some semblance of a family unit is maintained in our ecosystem.


Finally someone has brought up the forbidden subject on this issue. I can’t tell you how many trout commit suicide because of this.

Suicide is the second largest contributor of trout death because of water access issues. We are literally putting our trout in cages which separates them even more. Imagine the the fear these fish have when they find out they are locked up behind a steel gate.
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 7:01 pm
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:01 pm to
Posted by Higgysmalls
Ft Lauderdale
Member since Jun 2016
6442 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:45 pm to
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problem with this. Was expecting 15/15.
. Never would happen. It would kill recreational fishing. It would put so much pressure on redfish that they would have to cut back on reds within five years
Posted by Higgysmalls
Ft Lauderdale
Member since Jun 2016
6442 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 7:51 pm to
I'd vote for no minimum size, first 15 you catch. Many times during summer we catch over 100 fish to keep 15 to 25 fish. even the biologist say that 28% percent of undersize fish die. It's more than that where I fish cause the dolphins get half of them. So basically I kill more fish than I keep, according to the biologist
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 11:52 pm to
According to their data the majority of people now catch no where nears 15 trout per trip. 15 trout limits will do nothing to help the "recovery". I am thinking less......

"In areas of the state that have a bag limit of 25, which excludes the area from the Texas border to the Mermentau River, 85% of angler trips harvest 10 fish or less."
This post was edited on 2/17/20 at 11:57 pm
Posted by Mr Breeze
The Lunatic Fringe
Member since Dec 2010
5961 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 5:32 am to
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According to their data the majority of people now catch no where nears 15 trout per trip. 15 trout limits will do nothing to help the "recovery". I am thinking less......

"In areas of the state that have a bag limit of 25, which excludes the area from the Texas border to the Mermentau River, 85% of angler trips harvest 10 fish or less."

I spoke with a well known and respected SE LA guide at the Nola Boat Show who made this very point. In other words, if the average recreational dude is catching 10 specks a trip then going to 15 could theoretically raise harvested numbers. He wouldn't say what the new limits should be and pointed out that younger fish are more prolific breeders and more numerous.

Habitat long term, blocked navigable water access and fresh water the past few years aren't getting near the attention they deserve. Guide's take is not the issue, we need to preserve them as well as the Marina's that help us all catch fish.

I would be happy with a 13" / 15 creel limit with one or two over 20" and rarely keep 12" specks b/c there's so little meat on them. I do keep them when they suck it down and removing the hook however gently, it's clear they will die when released.
Posted by Scrowe
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2010
2926 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:40 am to
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It's more than that where I fish cause the dolphins get half of them.


This is moot because the dolphins take their numbers whether you are hand feeding them or not.

They will get their fill of the strongest of the school or the weakened fish you drop back in the water. They have just adapted to work with fishermen for easier meals.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 5:43 am
Posted by bearhc
Member since Sep 2009
4941 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:50 am to
To be clear, I am not in favor of changing the current regulations. The 12 inch 15 limit is palatable and will be in place at some point in July. People in southeast La. need to demand the opening of Morganza the next time we are threatened by flooding. I can tell the LDWF that when I was able to find good water, the trout were there. The damn river water is what is reducing numbers. I would also like to see the state open a number of hatcheries in coastal areas, but this will probably never happen.
Posted by Beamstain
Houston
Member since Jun 2008
326 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 6:53 am to
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The 12 inch 15 limit is palatable and will be in place at some point in July.


I have a feeling 5/14 for big lake unfortunately. Hope they do 10/14
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 6:55 am
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19609 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 7:35 am to
Well the way its looking that battle will happen again this spring.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5143 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 7:36 am to
Anyone went to one of the meetings?

Expressed you concerns or asked questions there?
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
17850 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 7:42 am to
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Who’s gonna haul their boat for 2 1/2 hours and all the prep that goes with it for 5 fish



More live shrimp for me

Posted by KemoSabe65
70605
Member since Mar 2018
5166 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:01 am to
Have been told change will not happen this year. How accurate that statement is may be up for debate behind closed doors on quail dr. Also makes this kabookie dance more frustrating imo.
Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30614 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:03 am to
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Have been told change will not happen this year.
I would concur with this statement...
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34323 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:04 am to
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The answer is that the collapse isn't caused by overfishing its been caused by a massive water quality fiasco caused by the state and the LaDWF is powerless to fix this issue.



You trying to blame opening the Bonnet Carre?
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 8:09 am
Posted by PapaPogey
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
39511 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:04 am to
I went. No environmental data whatsoever taken into account, and I don't believe the "decline" is due to over fishing.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34323 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:07 am to
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if the average recreational dude is catching 10 specks a trip then going to 15 could theoretically raise harvested numbers.


Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30614 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 8:43 am to
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he answer is that the collapse isn't caused by overfishing its been caused by a massive water quality fiasco caused by the state and the LaDWF is powerless to fix this issue
what water quality issues from the state level?
Posted by KemoSabe65
70605
Member since Mar 2018
5166 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:03 am to
I believe The biologists numbers on rec harvest. Every guide boat fishing where I have been catching the last two weeks of taking g limits. Most are fishing 5 per boat guide included for a 50 fish avg times x# of boats per fishing day. No engineering degree required to count the numbers taken weekly/daily, it’s staggering. 170 flounder taken in area I fished Sunday morning, same or more Saturday.
Take 10 boats with 3 clients taking 45 fish 7 days per week for 6 months = 75,600 trout. Avg # of guide boats daily 20-25 variable would be weather/water. Some boats would take 60 some less than my hypothetical # and some 75.
We are better killers now than 15 years ago and 20 years ago. Cell phones, faster boats, better bait allow many avg guys the ability to kill fish.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
25994 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 5:34 pm to
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what water quality issues from the state level?


Over the last few years the state has allowed more than 40% of our marshland to be dammed off and is now exclusively freshwater.
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