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re: WSJ: "Insurers Rake In Profits as Customers Pay Soaring Premiums"

Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
28128 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:28 pm to

.....and we criticize lawyers who look to get some of that money back via ambulance chasing.

No one is pure in this game....no one
Posted by BenDover
Member since Jul 2010
5434 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:58 pm to
I had Safeco auto coverage for 2 cars, just my wife and I. 1st year was (monthly) $225, 2nd year, $265, 3rd year $296. Their quote to renew us this time was at $396. Not a single ticket or accident during that time.

Went online the other day and did the runaround, ended up signing on with Progressive for $247. Could've had it even cheaper if I agreed to have that deal in my truck that tracks my driving but that feels sketchy.

Happy for now, but I'm sure at renewal they'll play the same game Safeco did.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13343 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 1:59 pm to
This is all a smoke screen to hide the fact they are applying DEI criteria to reduce the wealth gap between races AND use that as "just cause" with regulators for those allowed rate hikes which nets huge profits.

Because that's all DEI is, in any application, a justification to rip somebody off.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
114236 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 2:05 pm to
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It’s so strange how in our culture we are insured up to our neck….house, cars, health insurance, life, renters. But when I travel back to my old country in SE Asia, people don’t have any insurance. You’d think it’s crazy with no insurance but life is business as usual.


So how does it work? People insure themselves?
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
5378 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:48 pm to
Thank your local scum Plaintiff Attorney.
Posted by LSUScores
Member since Oct 2015
991 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 7:56 pm to
Yeah there were a few students from Saudi Arabia in my insurance and risk management class in grad school. It took them a while to understand how it worked.
Posted by MsState of mind
State of Denial
Member since Aug 2013
2652 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:00 pm to
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When I called to say I'm not renewing with Allstate, asked why? I said your increase is insane. His reply, well I could have probably gotten it down a little for you.


When an Allstate agent says that they don’t mean rate they will raise deductibles and lower coverages
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
167153 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:02 pm to
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Seems like the longer you stay with your insurance company, the more they screw you. Had Allstate for 8 years and my car insurance went up by $2300 this six month period. Granted, I have four cars with two adult kids age 23 and 21, but no new claims or violations. They wanted to go from $5300 to $7600 for six months. Absolutely ridiculous. Ended up switching to another company and saved 50%.. I'm sure when it renews it will get jacked up, but bottom line, you should shop around every two to three years. When I called to say I'm not renewing with Allstate, asked why? I said your increase is insane. His reply, well I could have probably gotten it down a little for you.


What an amazing story.
Posted by MsState of mind
State of Denial
Member since Aug 2013
2652 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:07 pm to
So when they lost fifteen years of profit 16 years after they lost 100 yrs of profit they should wait a year and act like it will never happen again?

If Louisiana were to have on home an 85%Combined ratio which means that for every dollar they take in the make $0.15 it would take 24 years just to offset the losses in 2021. Is it reasonable to believe they won’t Have any more storms for 24 years? Is that a good bet?
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11306 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:07 pm to
quote:

... One factor in the run-up in insurance stocks: the recent willingness of regulators to allow large rate increases, even in states traditionally seen as tough on the industry. Last month, Allstate won approval for auto-insurance rate increases of 30% in California, 17% in New Jersey and 15% in New York. The company had threatened to stop renewing policies in those states after suffering losses.



That’s one way to stop tax receipts from bleeding as they drive more taxpayers out of state
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
56058 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 8:32 pm to
Reading all of these threads about insurance makes me want to keep my shitty, paid off car and never buy a house
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51958 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:07 pm to
I’m tired of hearing about “record profits.”

Which such a huge inflation spike, they can easily register “record profits” but actually have a reduction of purchasing power.

Report profit margins.

Of course, they don’t want to, because it doesn’t fit the narrative for like 90% of these stories.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85493 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

This is all a smoke screen to hide the fact they are applying DEI criteria to reduce the wealth gap between races AND use that as "just cause" with regulators for those allowed rate hikes which nets huge profits. Because that's all DEI is, in any application, a justification to rip somebody off.


Blaming DEI has officially jumped the shark.
Posted by Big Jim Slade
Member since Oct 2016
4970 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

I have four cars with two adult kids age 23 and 21, but no new claims or violations. They wanted to go from $5300 to $7600 for six months. Absolutely ridiculous. Ended up switching to another company and saved 50%.. I'm sure when it renews it will get jacked up, but bottom line, you should shop around every two to three years. When I called to say I'm not renewing with Allstate, asked why? I said your increase is insane. His reply, well I could have probably gotten it down a little for you.


Dropped Allstate and went with Progressive online (no agent) and reduced my annual premium from $15k to $8500- same coverages and deductibles. Hope Progressive didnt give me a teaser introductory rate that will skyrocket at renewal, but if so, will just have to shop it. I suspect this may be their game, but any increase would probably still leave me below Allstate. If nothing else, I enjoyed the temporary savings.
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25999 posts
Posted on 1/25/24 at 11:16 pm to
Profit margins are a percentage of revenue.

When costs go up, insurance premiums goes up.

Keep a 3% profit margin and you are "having record profits".
Do you think journalists get clicks by talking common sense? Or by pissing people off with clickbait?

It isn't just insurance. Every industry working on a margin uses this model. Hell... even your property tax assessors scam 2% off the gross (and they have zero risk of throwing a loss on the books)
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7766 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 2:57 am to
This maybe touching a third rail but insurance and marketing by paying athletes millions in endorsement deals and multimillion dollar sponsorship deals to be the official sponsor of EXYZ Sportscenter or Game Day ALive.
This post was edited on 1/26/24 at 3:25 am
Posted by RFK
Squire Creek
Member since May 2012
1438 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 4:27 am to
Quick, time for big insurance to fund a PR campaign to smear “trial lawyers” and make the public forget insurance companies are going to increase your premiums 15% per year no matter what.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
120061 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 4:45 am to
Well, duh. It's Biden's America.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112943 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 6:03 am to
How many slip and falls did you sign up this week?
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
7399 posts
Posted on 1/26/24 at 6:31 am to
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sucks, but it's how it all works.


Get out of here with your logic!
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