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re: Wonder how many German SS soldiers refused to kill during Holocaust.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:20 pm to Riverside
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:20 pm to Riverside
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The Germans developed the gas chambers because indiscriminate shooting of prisoners was taking a mental toll on the SS.
This. Pretty much nobody was prepared for killing hundreds and thousands of men, women and children one by one with bullets. First they started gassing people in custom built trucks that piped the CO directly into the back but that wasn't efficient enough. Hence the gas chambers at Auschwitz, etc. Turns out killing hundreds of thousands of people wasn't as easy as they thought.
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:36 pm to thermal9221
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Well, the only person more cruel than hitler was Stalin. Much less when you’re invaded and fail.
What happened to Ukraine during that period is unfathomable.
First the Soviets come in, try to displace the native Ukrainians resulting in one of the largest famines in recorded history taking place in one of the most fertile grain producing areas in the world.
Then you’re just stabilizing after that and the Nazis roll in and while initially greeted as liberators in some areas start liquidating and displacing the native population as well.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:37 pm to ChiTownBammer
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This. Pretty much nobody was prepared for killing hundreds and thousands of men, women and children one by one with bullets.
Cite your sources. It used to be pretty well accepted that killing didn’t take a psychological toll. The sole problem was inefficiency. It took far too much ammo and labor to effectively scale operations.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:48 pm to Mushroom1968
The SS? None. They followed through
Regular German grunts? They were the pawns you are thinking about
Regular German grunts? They were the pawns you are thinking about
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:52 pm to lsuconnman
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It used to be pretty well accepted that killing didn’t take a psychological toll. The sole problem was inefficiency. It took far too much ammo and labor to effectively scale operations.
If you notice, I didn't say anything about psychological toll. I mentioned the efficiency. Too many man-hours and too much ammunition. I could get into sources about the psychological toll but this venue isn't worth it. Look up the Dirlewanger Brigade if you want to see what lengths they had to go to in order to find people willing to dispense with thousands of people with no psychological toll.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:55 pm to Mushroom1968
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Wonder how many German SS soldiers refused to kill during Holocaust.
A good Monday morning thing to think about
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:57 pm to Mushroom1968
I remember reading something a long time ago where a top Nazi was telling another that the murder camps were very hard on the guards who were family men and they needed to be replaced with single men.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:00 pm to Mushroom1968
I do know there were some that spared some kids. Like when they said they were 14, the SS Guard would say that he’s 16, and then he’d interrupt them that he was 14, but then the SS guard would either shut him up immediately verbally or physically, and years later these kids realized that this SS Guard actually saved their lives, because they would have been sent straight to the gas chambers if they were registered as 14. 16 year olds were good for work, but not a 14 year old save for some lying creativity from Oscar Schindler.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:07 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Do you even Mao Zedong bro?!?!
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:15 pm to Mushroom1968
A difficult thing for the soldiers I'm sure. Shoot or be shot.
That aside, I can't even imagine the anguish of what was going through the minds of the victims as well, hearing the rifle racking or flipping of the safety.
What a terrible predicament to be in and hope to never be in either situation.
That aside, I can't even imagine the anguish of what was going through the minds of the victims as well, hearing the rifle racking or flipping of the safety.
What a terrible predicament to be in and hope to never be in either situation.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:33 pm to lsuconnman
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was only 40 years ago, US recruits sung Jodie’s about napalming children, and wreaking havoc.
When did we Napalm children in 1985
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:38 pm to thermal9221
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Well, the only person more cruel than hitler was Stalin.
Read up on the Japanese treatment of prisoners and civilians some day.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:43 pm to GreenRockTiger
GreenRockTiger... are we still on for a 3wk Sobriety? I'm still in.. 
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:47 pm to tide06
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To be objective the Soviets weren’t taking many prisoners either.
The Soviets were even worse if you can believe it.
I do have a good Polish joke here when it comes to communism. A Polish farmer is plowing his field and he hits something metal. He digs and finds a genie’s lamp. He rubs it and a genie pops out.
“Congratulations Mortal! I will grant you three wishes! Ask it and your wish is my command.”
The Polish farmer thinks about it for a couple of hours and he then says “I have the perfect wish! I wish that China invades Poland.”
The genie looks at him uneasily and asks him if he’s sure, and when the Polish farmer doubles down, he says “Your wish is my command.”
So the Polish farmer then goes down to his bomb shelter and a few weeks later China invades Poland. He’s in his bomb shelter laughing his arse off as he hears the bombs dropping and the men, women, and children screaming above him.
Finally the bombing and the screams stop and the Polish farmer emerges from his bomb shelter to view the devastation. He rubs the lamp again and the genie pops out.
The genie is still a little shaken from the previous wish and asks the farmer “Master, your wish is my command… what is your second wish?” And the farmer without missing a beat says “I wish for China to invade Poland again.” And the genie is sickened and dumbfounded by the second wish and reluctantly says “Your wish is my command.”
So the Polish farmer goes back into his bomb shelter and a few weeks later the Chinese begin bombing and invading Poland again as the farmer is laughing his arse off in the bomb shelter.
After the bombing stops, the Polish farmer emerges from his bomb shelter and laughs over the roaring fires and corpses in his wake. He then rubs the lamp again.
The genie emerges horrified by everything around him and reluctantly asks “What is your third and final wish, Master?” And yet again he wishes for China to invade Poland. And the genie then asks “Well your wish is my command, but I now must ask you why? Why do you hate your country so much to deliver such devastation upon it?”
The Polish Farmer is perplexed and says to the genie “Hate my country?! I love my country! No one loves Poland more than I do!”
“Then why do you constantly wish for China to invade Poland?!”
“Because to get to Poland, they must first invade Russia and kill them.”
Good joke, but you must understand Poland’s history with Russia to find it funny.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 2:51 pm to deltaland
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When did we Napalm children in 1985
You clearly didn’t read my statement. It wasn’t that long ago where we were running around campus singing Jodie’s about setting our enemies on fire.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 3:00 pm to Mushroom1968
When the American troops liberated dachau and saw what had happened they executed the guards and hunted down any who tried to get away.
That camp was initially set up to imprison anyone who went against Hitler and his agenda. Seems like we hear the trump worshippers wanting to do this as well.
That camp was initially set up to imprison anyone who went against Hitler and his agenda. Seems like we hear the trump worshippers wanting to do this as well.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 3:05 pm to ChiTownBammer
Himmler was even psychologically moved whenever he witnessed an Einsatzgruppen killing of I believe only 100 Jews. Himmler knew it couldn’t keep going on like this.
In Masters of Death, the SS initially influenced local populations to incite pogroms, and they just oversaw. Then it moved to the SS getting Ukrainians, Latvians, and Lithuanians to do the brunt of the killing across Eastern Europe to spare the German soldiers psychologically.
In Masters of Death, the SS initially influenced local populations to incite pogroms, and they just oversaw. Then it moved to the SS getting Ukrainians, Latvians, and Lithuanians to do the brunt of the killing across Eastern Europe to spare the German soldiers psychologically.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 3:06 pm to ChiTownBammer
quote:High Fructose Sugar, Processed Foods and Vegetable Oils scoff at your assertion.
Turns out killing hundreds of thousands of people wasn't as easy as they thought.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 3:19 pm to sledgehammer
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Himmler was even psychologically moved whenever he witnessed an Einsatzgruppen killing of I believe only 100 Jews
Himmler was a hypochondriac pussy who could never put his money where his mouth was. Heydrich his subordinate was the real deal though.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 3:21 pm to Mushroom1968
What about the allies and Russians when taking Germany? How many refused?
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