re: Wisconsin Hospital Replaces All Anesthesiologists with CRNAs

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Yes, I know the difference.

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do you really? because earlier you were arguing for nurse anesthesiologists, because non-medical people cant say/understand anesthetist.

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There is no legal claim over the use of the term anesthesiologist.....this past year there has been a grassroots push by members of the CRNA community to use the term Nurse Anesthesiologist because the term Anesthetist is difficult for non medical people to understand or say.

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the fact is the title anesthesiologist is not a protected title for nurses. it is not legally acceptable for a nurse to claim they are an anesthesiologist even if they put nurse in front of it.

Credit to anesthesiologists that anesthesia has become so safe that most people think of putting patients under general anesthesia as so routine that non-physicians can do so independently.
Prevailing sentiment is that the most dangerous part of most surgeries is intubation/extubation, not the surgery itself - I'd be any surgeon lurking here would likely back me up here.

I'm a CRNA in Boulder, CO. Most, if not all, CRNA programs require at least two years of work experience as an RN and recent nursing experience (typically at least 1 year) working in a critical care area, such as the intensive care unit, operating room, or the emergency department.

Some CRNA programs also require proof that you have spent a predetermined period shadowing an already practicing CRNA as part of the application process. Once accepted into CRNA school, you will be required to complete an intense year-round, three-year master’s level program of didactic study and clinical experiences.

Beginning in 2025, all CRNAs graduating from nurse anesthetist programs will be required to have completed a doctoral-level CRNA program prior to being allowed to take the licensing examinations.

The Council on Accreditation (COA) of Nurse Anesthesia Educational Programs, the credentialing body for CRNA programs, has determined that all CRNA programs must transition to a PhD level of study—either a Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) or a Doctor of Nurse Anesthesia Practice (DNAP)—by 2022.

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Prevailing sentiment is that the most dangerous part of most surgeries is intubation/extubation, not the surgery itself - I'd be any surgeon lurking here would likely back me up here.

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you are wrong. the most dangerous part is induction.

eta misread your statement. i was referring to the most dangerous part of anesthesia, which would still be the most dangerous part for many surgeries. but the most dangerous part of surgery would vary depending on what procedure was being performed.

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This is one of the most absurd claims ever made on the OT

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This was a pretty impressive take from earlier in case you missed it from coondaddy.

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Anesthesiology isn’t the practice of medicine...Period.

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Yeah I had to do a double take at that one.

Well technically a doctor is someone who has earned their doctorate. I can be a “doctor” of lord knows what.

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So tough.

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Yeah it's tough shite. If these nurses want competition, I can give it to them, and I have to tell my colleagues and friends to do the same. The arguments in this thread are explicit and demean the shear amount of work I've had to put in just to get into medical school. Because of the pandemic, we've had to have 16 exams since January, though thankfully those are done, and now I have to prepare for boards, not to mention continuing trying to salvage my Ph.D. work, which was thrown into flux due to the pandemic. I frankly don't think the training between a nurse practitioner and myself is remotely equivalent, and that they get more privileges than I do (currently) despite less training and education is deeply insulting to me. Maybe don't make the same variation of insane arguments which amount to less stringent standardization and then in the same breath invoke standards of care if you don't want things to turn competitive?

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lol don’t get worked up over a few keyboard warriors

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I'm honestly not worked up. I'm eating nachos right now watching Pathoma and bullshitting on this site. I just can't fathom how insanely dumb the arguments put forward in this thread are.