re: Wisconsin Hospital Replaces All Anesthesiologists with CRNAs

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He doesn't know what he doesn't know. Classic.

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coondaddy seems to be a good example of the dunning-kruger effect. you hate to see it.

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My care isn’t. I would put my anesthesia skills up against any of you guys.

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It is obvious you dont know what you don't know. And if you could put up your skills, why did you take the back door?

This pissing contest is comical. I need to send this to some nurse friends I know they would get a good laugh.

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Tactics deployed to scare the public to thinking they are getting substandard care is what bothers me.

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None of this is tactics. You have to present legitimate arguments. Each argument presented here has been an argument for more physician oversight, not less. That, again, you can't see the end result will be physicians insisting on keeping certain tasks to themselves going forward, or acting in their self-interest to the detriment of your profession, which exists in the first place because physicians delegated tasks. Who is to say that some technological discovery won't make you redundant? In my medical school, we've already begun using radiology algorithms which were hyped up by tech bros as able to replace radiologists, which is a hilarious irony. There isn't a way that physicians will allow themselves to be sidelined, and those arguments are nestled within arguments for better patient care, which are the morally correct positions, the ones with better long-term outcomes, and the ones that undermine arguments such as the ones presented here. The arguments which in effect are, "I do it right now without immediate physician supervision, hence we should make the standards less stringent," are terrible arguments, and seem to be consistently used by mid-level providers for short-term gain, without considering the consequences of those arguments. Like I said, what is to stop dissatisfied family physicians from taking the roles of highly trained nurses? Or dissatisfied physicians from any specialty, as long as they get the appropriate, equal training as nurses?

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It is obvious you dont know what you don't know. And if you could put up your skills, why did you take the back door?

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We all have reasons why we choose a career path. The fact that I needed to earn money earlier on in my life and didn’t have a desire to go 300-500k in debt might have been a motivation. Just because one chooses a different path, doesn’t mean they couldn’t have chosen the other. Intelligence isn’t just reserved for those that choose medical school.

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My care isn’t. I would put my anesthesia skills up against any of you guys.. Demeaning another profession just makes you look petty and elitist.

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its not demeaning to point out the fact that a cRNA is not equivalent to an anesthesiologist. much like a midlevel is not equivalent to a physician. Thats not to say yall cant be good at what you do. but you should not get offended when people correct your mistaken notion. cRNAs are not equally qualified and do not provide the same level of care, it is the truth plain and simple.

The last time I had surgery about 11 years ago the Anesthesiologist came to me before surgery and introduced himself as the anesthesiologist before surgery and I swear he's the one started the drip before I got into the OR.

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This pissing contest is comical. I need to send this to some nurse friends I know they would get a good laugh

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Do it. I'm certain you will get insightful answers from them.

BTW, I'm not an anesthesiologist.

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And if you could put up your skills, why did you take the back door?

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Clearly you can see why some would consider CRNA school over Med school + anesthesia specialty?

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Errector Spinae, selective median, radial, and ulnar, interscalene, supraclavicular, superficial cervical, popliteal, ankle, AC blocks etc. I am also teaching them to do central lines.

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Liar! You’re a nurse