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re: Will rampant viewpoint discrimination be a permanent fixture in American life?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:35 am to Salmon
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:35 am to Salmon
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Peterson seems pretty well respected on this board and he claims it does. Kinda frightening, right?
I don't really know JP's take on this
But I've never heard JP make a statement indicating that personal truths become absolute truths in reality. I could definitely see him claiming that lies which are portrayed as truths become truths in practice due to adoption by enough people.
But if he claims that renders them genuinely true, I would disagree. I'm a positivist, not sure about him.
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Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:37 am to Tiger Ryno
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It's already been taken too far.
Sure. No argument here.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:39 am to Pettifogger
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And as mentioned, some of that falls back on the majority of sensible people in this country who are letting the mob dictate such things to media/corporations/etc.
this has always been my issue
I don't understand why corporations placate to this very small % of the population
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:39 am to member12
Yes. The left has won the culture war.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:40 am to Pettifogger
quote:Define "destroy."
But some fraction of those people are threatening to destroy not only you, but the people who are related to you, those who do business with you, etc. all over a relatively neutral position statement.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:41 am to Salmon
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this has always been my issue
I don't understand why corporations placate to this very small % of the population
It's like settling out of court. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:43 am to upgrayedd
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It's like settling out of court. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.
I assume the logic is that regular customers generally don't care either way and if they can score a few virtue points, then that's a plus
which is fine on a case by case basis, I guess, but eventually all that placating has to add up to real burdens, no?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:44 am to Chuck Barris
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Define "destroy."
You say "All Lives Matter"
People object, find out you work for Coca-Cola
"Coke must fire this racist, or else!"
Coke, fearing protestors and rioters (who have a recent record of arson, murder, assault, etc.) bends to the will of the mob.
Person who said "All Lives Matter" is universally declared a racist, he's fired from Coke, his livelihood is destroyed and he's untouchable for other work because even Coke fired him because he's a racist.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:46 am to Salmon
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I assume the logic is that regular customers generally don't care either way and if they can score a few virtue points, then that's a plus
which is fine on a case by case basis, I guess, but eventually all that placating has to add up to real burdens, no?
Oh, absolutely. When you look at it from a macro level, it causes huge issues of forced compliance. The problem is very few people want to stand up to it. CFA was the only one who had the balls to stand up for themselves.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:50 am to member12
Being a republican is already synonymous with being a racist now
Posted on 6/16/20 at 9:59 am to Pettifogger
quote:So in this scenario, a Coke employee makes a public statement.
You say "All Lives Matter"
People object, find out you work for Coca-Cola
"Coke must fire this racist, or else!"
Coke, fearing protestors and rioters (who have a recent record of arson, murder, assault, etc.) bends to the will of the mob.
Person who said "All Lives Matter" is universally declared a racist, he's fired from Coke, his livelihood is destroyed and he's untouchable for other work because even Coke fired him because he's a racist.
Consumers learn of this statement, and tell Coke, "Fire this person or we won't buy Coke anymore."
Coke, being a free, capitalist business, exercises their right to fire an employee.
Other businesses exercise their own rights to decide whether or not to hire this person.
Again, what's the alternative?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:03 am to Chuck Barris
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So in this scenario, a Coke employee makes a public statement.
Usually it seems to be more of a Coke employee said something on Twitter and than is doxed and life quickly ruined by the cancel culture. Usually those screaming to have the employee fired are a small group not some giant "movement".
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:05 am to Chuck Barris
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Consumers learn of this statement, and tell Coke, "Fire this person or we won't buy Coke anymore
I think the issue here is asking how has society gotten to the point where you cannot separate a good product from the political views of the company or its employees.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:12 am to Salmon
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his will also die off when they take it too far
Jesus Christ, what do you consider too far?
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:13 am to Pettifogger
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Person who said "All Lives Matter" is universally declared a racist, he's fired from Coke, his livelihood is destroyed and he's untouchable for other work because even Coke fired him because he's a racist.
This is Cultural Fascism and the Left, the Party of choice, are TOTALLY fine with it.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:14 am to oogabooga68
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Jesus Christ, what do you consider too far?
I consider it already too far.
But that is irrelevant, as my views do not represent the segment of the population pushing so fervently for these types of actions.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:17 am to Chuck Barris
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Again, what's the alternative?
A society that rejects social blackmail for innocuous statements?
I'm not claiming the underlying concept is wrong, in fact the concept is probably both the source of the problem and the solution. I'm saying the checks and balances on social tyranny are gone at the moment.
The institutions we rely on to bolster rational behavior are actively working against the interests of peace and the majority. Hence, the need to reach some critical mass of vocal public consensus to end the destruction.
Your position of course raises the question of what happens when/if the majority accepts untruthful things as true and tyrannical behavior becomes the endorsed position of a majority - and the answer is "the rest of us GTFO" I suppose.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:17 am to SCLibertarian
quote:I really don't think this is anything new. There are certain businesses I chose not to patronize years ago because of the actions of their owners. There are so many scummy large corporations that it's impossible to avoid them all, but I feel pretty good about my decision not to spend my money at certain local businesses based on their unethical/borderline illegal past actions.
I think the issue here is asking how has society gotten to the point where you cannot separate a good product from the political views of the company or its employees.
I'm willing to bet that almost everyone has a breaking point of saying "I'll never spend money at that business again." After all how many people on this site are already vowing to never watch another NFL game?
This post was edited on 6/16/20 at 10:34 am
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:18 am to Salmon
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I don't understand why corporations placate to this very small % of the population
The same reason most corporations settle out of court, even when they know the lawsuit is complete and utter bullshite.
Posted on 6/16/20 at 10:20 am to member12
It's the religious right gone commie, on steroids. The powerful have convinced the masses that having alternative viewpoints is morally wrong.
If you want to see the difference between liberals and progressives, Ths is a defining point. "Deplorables."
If you want to see the difference between liberals and progressives, Ths is a defining point. "Deplorables."
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