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re: Why won't a train system like Europe ever worked in US?
Posted on 3/1/18 at 7:52 pm to theantiquetiger
Posted on 3/1/18 at 7:52 pm to theantiquetiger
Criminals use public transportation to rob nice neighborhoods
Posted on 3/1/18 at 7:55 pm to theantiquetiger
Brightline from downtown West Palm to downtown Ft. Lauderdale just opened. Made it from station to station in 36 minutes
The Miami station is opening soon. The train goes 80 mph
The Miami station is opening soon. The train goes 80 mph
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:14 pm to Barstools
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Because who the frick wants to ride a train across the country?
That sounds like a blast
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Trains are for poors.
I don't give a frick
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:16 pm to Napoleon
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But then China has a decent network brewing..
The population density in China is incredible.
We have Ferries here, going from Bellingham Wa to out to Dutch Harbor and points in between, but it's highly subsidized.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:16 pm to AbitaFan08
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Is the purpose of this train for each person to leave their respective city to tell the other city that their city sucks, then go home?
No, it's a joyride to make fun of the mouth breathers to the east.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:20 pm to theantiquetiger
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Amtrak from New Orleans to Memphis is $62 one way for coach. It a 8+ hour trip. You can drive to Memphis in 5.5 hours, so of course no one wants to do that. But if it was $25 and took 3 hours or less, it would be utilized a lot more.
I've taken the Amtrak from Hammond to Memphis. It's terrible. Multiple stops at stations and to let freight traffic pass (they have priority over passenger traffic)
Miserable food and takes longer than driving.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:26 pm to theantiquetiger
The buses from Chinatown in the respective cities will sell transportation cheaper. Especially short trips where the trains might be feasible.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 8:27 pm to Mr Sausage
Ah yes. The elevated class that is the Texan.
Classy only in their own minds.
Classy only in their own minds.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:02 pm to baldona
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While I agree trains are great in Europe, the difference is even their small towns have centers now. America is spread out, even if you took a train from city to city how many people would that help? In Houston for example from Baton Rouge? Almost no one would take it as who would go city center to city center?
Another good point.
If you have to drive 30 minutes and then park, a lot of people are going to think that defeats the purpose.
I could see an LA to Vegas or Houston to Dallas train being viable if you don't have to bother with the TSA (or they have a reduced presence for train travel). But that would be best for business travel.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:04 pm to theantiquetiger
In places of analogous population density like New England it works fine.
The vast majority of the US however is empty land.
Take Texas, the most non-New England state able to afford something like this:
It has 27 million people.
Germany alone has over 90, and look out many other nations the outline overs.
Austria adds another 10 million, as does Czech.
France 66 million.
Belgium 12.
And it isn't an outlier.
Take Louisiana for instance: Belgium has a population density 3.5 times higher.
The vast majority of the US however is empty land.
Take Texas, the most non-New England state able to afford something like this:
It has 27 million people.
Germany alone has over 90, and look out many other nations the outline overs.
Austria adds another 10 million, as does Czech.
France 66 million.
Belgium 12.
And it isn't an outlier.
Take Louisiana for instance: Belgium has a population density 3.5 times higher.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:06 pm to theantiquetiger
Because for most Americans outside D.C., NYC and maybe, Chicago, cars are synonymous with freedom. The freedom to jump in the car and go across town or across the country.
Americans are freedom loving motherfrickers, when push comes to shove, and this is yet another manifestation of it.
Americans are freedom loving motherfrickers, when push comes to shove, and this is yet another manifestation of it.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:27 pm to theantiquetiger
Look, if you want the European lifestyle, move to Europe. This is how we do it in America. We have unlimited freedom here- no “papers”, no borders, no bullshite. We have cars and trucks and all the freedom to move about that all those other shithole countries lust for.
You want to ride the choo choo, get after it. The rest of us want to come and go as we please in our own vehicles. Quit asking the majority to join (or at a minimum, pay for) your misguided Eurocentric Dick riding.
Better yet, get a car and enjoy the freedom
Of the open road that makes America the most envied country on the planet.
(At least by the people who don’t already live here.)
You want to ride the choo choo, get after it. The rest of us want to come and go as we please in our own vehicles. Quit asking the majority to join (or at a minimum, pay for) your misguided Eurocentric Dick riding.
Better yet, get a car and enjoy the freedom
Of the open road that makes America the most envied country on the planet.
(At least by the people who don’t already live here.)
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:30 pm to theantiquetiger
because Europe can fit in america
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:36 pm to Ace Midnight
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Because for most Americans outside D.C., NYC and maybe, Chicago, cars are synonymous with freedom. The freedom to jump in the car and go across town or across the country.
This is me. I hate being limited to a schedule
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:51 pm to WinnPtiger
And the Real kicker:
US population:
323 million
Europe Population:
~449 million
Posted on 3/1/18 at 9:59 pm to Volvagia
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Take Texas, the most non-New England state able to afford something like this:
If it hasn't already been mentioned, there is a high speed train proposal from Dallas to Houston that is pretty close to being reality. It is private money paying for this and they have already gotten a lot of the federal environmental approvals and acquired much of the land. They still have a few hurdles but its the closest a high speed train has gotten to being built in Texas.
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America is spread out, even if you took a train from city to city how many people would that help? In Houston for example from Baton Rouge? Almost no one would take it as who would go city center to city center?
How is that different from flying? You rent a car or take uber.....uber really makes it more practical.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:03 pm to Zappas Stache
But its a point to point system between two metro areas.
Not a mass transit car replacement style system.
And the value isn't even in the mass transit element, but in the ability to cut the time to travel to Houston by more than half.
Not a mass transit car replacement style system.
And the value isn't even in the mass transit element, but in the ability to cut the time to travel to Houston by more than half.
This post was edited on 3/1/18 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:20 pm to Volvagia
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Not a mass transit care replacement style system.
I didn't read the whole thread but I don't know what this means.
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And the value isn't even in the mass transit element, but in the ability to cut the time to travel to Houston by more than half.
Sure, I will say there is value to airlines too as short haul flights are not as profitable as long haul. And airport gates are beginning to be precious commodities so using gate space for more profitable flights is a factor in the equation too. This was a big factor in europe moving to high speed rail several years ago.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:25 pm to Zappas Stache
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I didn't read the whole thread but I don't know what this means.
Sorry, typo. Car not care.
The original question was regarding if the US will ever get a European style mass transit.
A Houston to Dallas connection is functionally no different than Amtrak, and therefore not an example of what the OP was saying.
Posted on 3/1/18 at 10:48 pm to theantiquetiger
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