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re: Why is WW1 Germany overshadowed by WW2 Germany
Posted on 4/13/26 at 4:39 pm to Galloglaich
Posted on 4/13/26 at 4:39 pm to Galloglaich
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I don’t see how an overextended chaotic dictatorship with no boats somehow defeats a global empire that requires “boats” to beat?
You’re right they didn’t have boats they had the most formidable submarines on the planet at the time. Maybe you heard of them? U-boats. They would’ve just continued to sink every British supply ship they could which was a LOT of them. Idiot
Posted on 4/13/26 at 4:46 pm to ChewyDante
Britain had air and sea superiority after the battle of Britain. They had just won the struggle of their survival...then Germany looked East and committed their catastrophic miscalculation.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:25 pm to Sweep Da Leg
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You’re right they didn’t have boats they had the most formidable submarines on the planet at the time. Maybe you heard of them? U-boats. They would’ve just continued to sink every British supply ship they could which was a LOT of them. Idiot
You do realize there’s a counter to U-boats right? Also, do U-boats carry out amphibious operations? Glue logic
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:35 pm to Galloglaich
I’d are it was, Radio.
It only became common int the US household in the 1930s.
For the people, WWI was something you heard about only from the newspaper and many didn’t even have that .
WWII was broadcast live in everyone Americans living room
(You know, besides the no-fun express, trains thing)
It only became common int the US household in the 1930s.
For the people, WWI was something you heard about only from the newspaper and many didn’t even have that .
WWII was broadcast live in everyone Americans living room
(You know, besides the no-fun express, trains thing)
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:46 pm to Galloglaich
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There was no chance of WW2 Germany winning after the British decided to fight until the end
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:48 pm to udtiger
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The world would have been a much better place if Germany had won WWI before the USA got involved.
You just be saying shite.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 5:50 pm to Sweep Da Leg
The Germans didn’t have near the amount of U-boats as many people are led to believe. Plus, with the Enigma code being broken, the improvement of sonar/passive listening devices, and convoying; the U-boats were having a tough go of it by mid-43.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:22 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
The pressure put on the Axis was too much by 1918. One day in September of 1918 the Bulgarians just quit. Almost like they decided not to show up. Thislead to a chain reaction. Austria fell apart in about 2 weeks not too long after with army units all of a sudden disintegrated and "balkanizing" Czech troops taking Prague. Hungary separating from Austria, etc. The Ottomans had been stretched. They had been beat in Palestine by Allenby. There was a British army sitting in Baghdad and moving unmolested towards Mosul. Eastern Anatolia had been occupied by the Russians until late 1917 and the French and English navies had squeezed Constantinople.
But what really hurt was the Germans were being starved by the British Navy and the German Spring offensive of 1918 had bogged down because now the Americans were finally actively in the fight. There were a strikes in Germany beginning in late 1916 and they continued to grow through 1917 until they had become a real problem by 1918. The Germans were also dealing with a Russian problem as well even though the Russians had left the war in late 1917. That did not mean that the Russians and their sympathetic fellow communists like Liebnecht and Luxemburg in Germany were not causing problems even before they were let out of prison.
The pressures by the end of the summer on Germany was too great. Guys like Ludendorf had come to the realization that the war was lost by Mid September of 1918.
Yeah, the Germans still were on France on Armistice Day but they were slowly losing ground and if the war lasts another month, there most probably has an breakout by the Allies on the western front with a bunch of pissed off Frenchman running wild in Germany.... and they were not in a mind to be restrained after what they had put up with for 4+ years
But what really hurt was the Germans were being starved by the British Navy and the German Spring offensive of 1918 had bogged down because now the Americans were finally actively in the fight. There were a strikes in Germany beginning in late 1916 and they continued to grow through 1917 until they had become a real problem by 1918. The Germans were also dealing with a Russian problem as well even though the Russians had left the war in late 1917. That did not mean that the Russians and their sympathetic fellow communists like Liebnecht and Luxemburg in Germany were not causing problems even before they were let out of prison.
The pressures by the end of the summer on Germany was too great. Guys like Ludendorf had come to the realization that the war was lost by Mid September of 1918.
Yeah, the Germans still were on France on Armistice Day but they were slowly losing ground and if the war lasts another month, there most probably has an breakout by the Allies on the western front with a bunch of pissed off Frenchman running wild in Germany.... and they were not in a mind to be restrained after what they had put up with for 4+ years
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:58 pm to Galloglaich
Because in WW2, the German Empire stretched from the channel to Moscow from Norway to the Sahara . The last empire won through conquest we have seen on a large scale.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 6:58 pm to soccerfüt
Yep. Princip weighed 88 pounds when he died. I guarantee he would’ve preferred they waived the law and executed him.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:09 pm to Galloglaich
The reason is because of Pop History and the fact that WW2 is in the living memory of very elderly people alive today.
Everybody knows a little about WW2. Movies, TV shows, Pod casts.
World War One was so long ago that people know very little about it today, so, the subject holds very little Pop History interest.
Another very subtle factor regarding why World War One is rather forgotten is because so many valuable documents and war records of the Imperial German side were destroyed by WW2 Allied bombing attacks. We know a LOT more about WW2, because the Allies captured almost all of the Nazi German war records and documents intact.
Compare the German Army, Air Force and Navy for both World Wars. The Army accomplished amazing feats on both Wars. The German Air Force of World War One kicked arse for the whole war, but, in WW2, the German Air Force was impotent for the last 18 months of the war. Same thing with the Navy - World War One Germany Navy fought the Royal Navy to a standstill and virtual stalemate, but in WW2, the German Navy was WAY too weak to stand up to the Royal Navy.
So your premise makes a good point. Why this "overshadowed" thing happening when the whole truth shows that the Imperial German military forces actually kicked a bit more arse than the WW2 German military.
Everybody knows a little about WW2. Movies, TV shows, Pod casts.
World War One was so long ago that people know very little about it today, so, the subject holds very little Pop History interest.
Another very subtle factor regarding why World War One is rather forgotten is because so many valuable documents and war records of the Imperial German side were destroyed by WW2 Allied bombing attacks. We know a LOT more about WW2, because the Allies captured almost all of the Nazi German war records and documents intact.
Compare the German Army, Air Force and Navy for both World Wars. The Army accomplished amazing feats on both Wars. The German Air Force of World War One kicked arse for the whole war, but, in WW2, the German Air Force was impotent for the last 18 months of the war. Same thing with the Navy - World War One Germany Navy fought the Royal Navy to a standstill and virtual stalemate, but in WW2, the German Navy was WAY too weak to stand up to the Royal Navy.
So your premise makes a good point. Why this "overshadowed" thing happening when the whole truth shows that the Imperial German military forces actually kicked a bit more arse than the WW2 German military.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 7:14 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:43 pm to udtiger
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The world would have been a much better place if Germany had won WWI before the USA got involved.
Marxist Revolution erupts from the ruins of defeated Britain and/or France. There's a modern industrial socialist state to bookend with agrarian Russia. Exhausted Germany fares no better in victory than it did in defeat in our timeline, eventually succumbing to socialist revolution as well. A united Red Europe rises as the dominant world power...
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:49 pm to Galloglaich
Wrong. In WWII, Germany’s biggest mistake was attacking Russia so soon in Operation Barbarossa. They got hung up for years and lost 1,000,000 men. It also got Russia involved. Another mistake was Hitler halting his forces from wiping out the British in Dunkirk. Britian’s total military forces in France at the time.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 7:51 pm to Galloglaich
Maybe that thing people call timeline? Not to mention advancement in technology as well as the US becoming a superpower because of WW2?
Posted on 4/13/26 at 8:21 pm to Blueghost1978
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Wrong. In WWII, Germany’s biggest mistake was attacking Russia so soon in Operation Barbarossa. They got hung up for years and lost 1,000,000 men. It also got Russia involved. Another mistake was Hitler halting his forces from wiping out the British in Dunkirk. Britian’s total military forces in France at the time.
All over the place bud. Pick one lol
Posted on 4/13/26 at 9:50 pm to Galloglaich
Because WWII overshadows WWI in the public perception. For starters, it truly was global, with major theaters on both sides of the globe. WWI had a few sideshows in the Middle East, Africa, and Turkey. But the vast majority of the war was concentrated in Europe. Contrast that to WWII that had major theaters in Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Southeast Asia, China, and across the expanse of the Pacific. And while WWI had a handful of naval engagements, there was only one major naval battle and it was indecisive meanwhile WWII saw the largest naval campaign in history.
Also, it’s far more well documented via film than WWI. And on top of that all, it was more recent than WWI.
I vaguely remember meeting one WWI vet when I was a little kid and I’m in my mid-50s. Almost everyone over the age of 20 though probably knows, or knew multiple WWII vets. So the war is more personal.
And finally, on top of all that, from the American perspective WWII was a far bigger deal than WWI. The US missed the first almost three years of WWI, only declaring war in April 1917. And even then it wasn’t until really 1918 until large numbers of Americans were involved in the fighting, only a matter of a few months, before the war ended. By the end of the war, a little under 5 million American men were mobilized. But only about 1.5 million actually saw combat.
Meanwhile, we were in WWII for three and a half years. And the level of both industrial and military mobilization for WWII dwarfed that of WWI. While a little under 5 million men were called up for WWI, over three times that number were called up for WWII and even those who never wore a uniform still had their life drastically impacted by the war via wartime rationing and the fact our entire economy was completely dedicated to war production. Look at automobiles for example. In 1940, 4.68 million automobiles were produced in the US. In 1942, that number dropped to less than 200K, and all those were built in the early months of 1942. That’s because all civilian auto production in the US was suspended so those factories could be deduced to producing everything from bombers to jeeps. Imagine that today. All civilian auto plants just stopped making cars. Imagine that today. But that’s the extent of how the war touched every man, woman, and child in American between 1941 and 1945.
Also, it’s far more well documented via film than WWI. And on top of that all, it was more recent than WWI.
I vaguely remember meeting one WWI vet when I was a little kid and I’m in my mid-50s. Almost everyone over the age of 20 though probably knows, or knew multiple WWII vets. So the war is more personal.
And finally, on top of all that, from the American perspective WWII was a far bigger deal than WWI. The US missed the first almost three years of WWI, only declaring war in April 1917. And even then it wasn’t until really 1918 until large numbers of Americans were involved in the fighting, only a matter of a few months, before the war ended. By the end of the war, a little under 5 million American men were mobilized. But only about 1.5 million actually saw combat.
Meanwhile, we were in WWII for three and a half years. And the level of both industrial and military mobilization for WWII dwarfed that of WWI. While a little under 5 million men were called up for WWI, over three times that number were called up for WWII and even those who never wore a uniform still had their life drastically impacted by the war via wartime rationing and the fact our entire economy was completely dedicated to war production. Look at automobiles for example. In 1940, 4.68 million automobiles were produced in the US. In 1942, that number dropped to less than 200K, and all those were built in the early months of 1942. That’s because all civilian auto production in the US was suspended so those factories could be deduced to producing everything from bombers to jeeps. Imagine that today. All civilian auto plants just stopped making cars. Imagine that today. But that’s the extent of how the war touched every man, woman, and child in American between 1941 and 1945.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 5:58 am to Galloglaich
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Why is WW1 Germany overshadowed by WW2 Germany
It's a case of the sequel just being much more exciting than the original.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:15 am to castorinho
You probably could put your finger on it if you just concentrate.
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:35 am to DomincDecoco
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f no Pearl Harbor, prob no UK.
I think the UK still survives this timeline. Hitler was chomping at the bit to declare war on the U.S. so his U-boats could target U.S. shipments to Europe. It didn’t take Pearl Harbor for the U.S. to start getting into the weapons supply game.
So either:
(a) Hitler has to let the U.S. shipments all go through, which would leave the UK with plenty of defensive capability to withstand any amphibious landing that would be needed to actually invade the UK. Keep in mind the British could bomb Germany’s manufacturing base, nobody could touch the U.S. manufacturing base.
(B) Unrestricted submarine warfare happens anyway, and the U.S. joins that way but only has to fight one war and not two.
France and some other nations may have a different history though….
Posted on 4/14/26 at 6:36 am to Galloglaich
Because they waited till World War II to bomb Pearl Harbor.
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