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re: Why is WW1 Germany overshadowed by WW2 Germany
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:39 pm to Galloglaich
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:39 pm to Galloglaich
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I don’t see how an overextended chaotic dictatorship with no boats somehow defeats a global empire that requires “boats” to beat? Yall are watching too much Red Dawn Cod shite. The British empire had 6x the population of Nazi Germany so yall need to quit sniffing glue.
This board definitely needed a new alter troll
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Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:41 pm to Galloglaich
Germans
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:42 pm to Galloglaich
WW1 Germany was not defeated as much as their allies began to crumble around them.
That relatively small country's ability to wage war in the 20th century is one of the marvels of world history.
That relatively small country's ability to wage war in the 20th century is one of the marvels of world history.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:47 pm to Galloglaich
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There was no chance of WW2 Germany winning after the British decided to fight until the end but WW1 Germany had a chances at least.
The US was neutral at the beginning. If it had stayed neutral Germany's chances would have been much better.
England probably could have never invaded France, and certainly could not have pushed the Germans back to Germany. Russia would probably have stalled the German advance just like they did at Stalingrad, but after that the war would have been different.
Remember, the US paid a lot of the cost for Russia and England to fight Germany, and supplied a tremendous amount of resources.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:49 pm to CharlesUFarley
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The US was neutral at the beginning. If it had stayed neutral Germany's chances would have been much better. England probably could have never invaded France, and certainly could not have pushed the Germans back to Germany. Russia would probably have stalled the German advance just like they did at Stalingrad, but after that the war would have been different. Remember, the US paid a lot of the cost for Russia and England to fight Germany, and supplied a tremendous amount of resources.
England couldn’t invade the continent after the battle of London, but they damn sure had the time and resources to do so later.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:50 pm to Sam Quint
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you'd probably be better off with Guns of August (Tuchman)
Tuchman over Keegan? GTFOH
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:52 pm to Galloglaich
The world would have been a much better place if Germany had won WWI before the USA got involved.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:53 pm to udtiger
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The world would have been a much better place if Germany had won WWI before the USA got involved.
100%
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:55 pm to Galloglaich
Germany wasn’t massively bankrupt during ww1 as compared to the other participants owning money to the bankers
The treaty of Versailles changed that drastically
Then ww2 resulted in the UK owning the US loads of money that they recently paid off along with both axis and allied powers relied on the same group of bankers for ww2
The treaty of Versailles changed that drastically
Then ww2 resulted in the UK owning the US loads of money that they recently paid off along with both axis and allied powers relied on the same group of bankers for ww2
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:57 pm to soccerfüt
quote:And I've stood on the exact spot on the sidewalk in Sarajevo, Bosnia where Gavrilo fired his pistol into Archduke Franz Ferdinand's car, mortally wounding him, on June 28, 1914.
That goddamned Gavrilo Princip.
Been to where he died
Posted on 4/13/26 at 2:58 pm to Galloglaich
WWI Germany was a rational actor trying to defend allies against aggression from their powerful neighbors.
WWII Germany was attempting to exterminate entire races of people and remake the world.
WWII Germany was attempting to exterminate entire races of people and remake the world.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:03 pm to TygerLyfe
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Tuchman over Keegan? GTFOH
Keegan is like watching paint dry to me
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:03 pm to ChewyDante
This 100%
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:07 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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There's that little thing about trains and camps...
That didn't happen according to the Poli Board jootards
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:12 pm to Fun Bunch
notwithstanding the USSR being on the side of the Allies
The USSR was at least every bit as evil as the national socialists.
The USSR was at least every bit as evil as the national socialists.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:19 pm to Tiger Prawn
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If Hitler doesn't attack the Soviets
That was quite literally his ultimate goal and the whole reason for rearming Germany in the first place.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:24 pm to grizzlylongcut
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notwithstanding the USSR being on the side of the Allies
The USSR was at least every bit as evil as the national socialists.
Interestingly enough, both Stalin and Hitler considered Roosevelt to be a "fellow traveler" of the socialist stripe in the 1930's. Some of Roosevelts early writings were required reading in the Hitler Youth.
To grizzlylongcut's point, when the USSR and Germany divided up Poland, things were so bad on the USSR side of the line that Jews were actually fleeing to the German-controlled part of Poland. For safety. Imagine that.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:31 pm to TheRealTigerHorn
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To grizzlylongcut's point, when the USSR and Germany divided up Poland, things were so bad on the USSR side of the line that Jews were actually fleeing to the German-controlled part of Poland. For safety. Imagine that.
Claims of significant Jewish flight to German-occupied Poland are simply not true. Hundreds of thousands of Polish citizens, to include 300,000 Jews, fled Nazi-occupied Poland and into the Soviet zone of occupation. While conditions were harsh in the Soviet zone, only 65,000 Jewish refugees at most returned to the German zone of occupation when given a chance to by the Soviet Union.
This post was edited on 4/13/26 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/13/26 at 3:44 pm to ChewyDante
If no Pearl Harbor, prob no UK.
Posted on 4/13/26 at 4:35 pm to CatfishJohn
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That goddamned Gavrilo Princip.
He was just the fuse to a landmine that had been waiting to go off since the 1870 Franco-Prussian war. Germany was making its bid to be the big swinging dick in Europe, and Britain and France were like Nah Fam. Meanwhile the Austro-Hungarian, Ottoman and Russian empires were crumbling in real time. There was going to be a general European war and it's sort of miraculous that it didn't start a couple of decades earlier.
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