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Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:50 am to Jim Rockford
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About 30 percent of the criteria is tied to financial resources, like average spending on student instruction and research. Also weighed heavily are faculty salaries, student to faculty ratios, and proportion of full-time faculty compared to adjuncts, which are all hurt by loss of funding.
LSU has been hovering around the 120s-130s for years now. When I was in undergrad, they might have peaked at 112.
Bottom line is that Louisiana needs to close multiple colleges and reserve TOPS money for only top flight students.
Louisiana has held this "chicken in every pot" ideal for education, while disregarding the fact that the top tier students flee the state for better institutions, while the state loses money on "C" average students that go to LSU for a year or two on tops, lose their eligibility, and drop out of school.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:51 am to Boo Krewe
because Miss St. is last 
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:52 am to Scruffy
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Because LSU values sports more than it values education.
Do you think Bama doesn't? Yet, they seem to be moving upward academically.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:54 am to Boo Krewe
Can you really say LSU is any better then the SEC schools ahead of them on that list? LSU is a second tier academic school. I say this as an LSU grad
Posted on 9/14/16 at 9:59 am to Boo Krewe
The short "political" answer the F_King wants everyone to believe is that a lot of funding is getting pulled.
The real answer is that our beer is cold, our women are wet, and who the frick wants to go to class with a hangover.
The real answer is that our beer is cold, our women are wet, and who the frick wants to go to class with a hangover.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:03 am to CunningLinguist
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Can you really say LSU is any better then the SEC schools ahead of them on that list? LSU is a second tier academic school. I say this as an LSU grad
You can at least ask the same type of question for Arkansas, Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Tennessee.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:07 am to tgrbaitn08
I'm saying that having a vested interest in your own education improves ones desire to learn. If it's free then it's more about how interested you are in actually attending.
Knowing that you are paying 1000s for something makes a person seek value for their dollar as well and not put up with shite instructors.
Knowing that you are paying 1000s for something makes a person seek value for their dollar as well and not put up with shite instructors.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 10:08 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:09 am to c on z
Lsu as an overall institution has been ranked in the low to mid 100's for many years.
I don't ever see a double digit number in the near future. Firing O'Keefe was a huge mistake.
There are too many four year colleges here and that is just one of many problems.
Also cut out all the extreme liberal courses like gender studies; hard sciences, health sciences, and engineering need more priority.
I don't ever see a double digit number in the near future. Firing O'Keefe was a huge mistake.
There are too many four year colleges here and that is just one of many problems.
Also cut out all the extreme liberal courses like gender studies; hard sciences, health sciences, and engineering need more priority.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:11 am to Scruffy
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Because LSU values sports more than it values education.
From some of the things I see on TD, I think LSU values bar fights more than education.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:12 am to Boo Krewe
Yay for Booby Jindal
Yay for F King Alexander
Yay for F King Alexander
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:12 am to southernelite
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Louisiana does a poor job of preparing it's high school students for college.
A large number of the best students leave the state for college and do quite well.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:27 am to double d
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A large number of the best students leave the state for college and do quite well.
The best students want to go to school where they want to live, and usually where they want to work when they graduate. The fact is that most of your best students and your brightest don't want to stay in the states of Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. Many of the others too.
Where students get jobs and how fast is usually in these rankings, and schools like UGA and Vandy have big cities with good jobs helping them. I can honestly say I don't think I've ever heard someone from another SEC school say they want to go to New Orleans for work when they graduate.
My point is just that no matter how good your school is, if your state doesn't have big cities that excite 22 year olds to work in them then its hard to get those students to stay in state for school.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:32 am to Scruffy
quote:Think how bad the education would be without sports. Football provides funding to the school, not the other way around.
Because LSU values sports more than it values education.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 10:33 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:39 am to double d
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A large number of the best students leave the state for college and do quite well.
A number of these students will leave the state for college
2017 National Merit Finalist
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:43 am to Boo Krewe
The leadership void that occurred when Mark Emmert left has not been filled.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:45 am to Jim Rockford
That sounds reasonable. I think it is also tied to admissions. The bigger the pool of applicants, the higher the standards and the better the students being accepted. UF and UGA are perfect examples. They both have low acceptance rates and as a result carry a level of prestige that really was not present 25 years ago.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 10:47 am to Boo Krewe
School rankings are interesting, but frankly, not that informative for individual students.
For example, MSU Engineering majors are in strong demand and the program is highly regarded.
So, if you happen to be interested in majoring in Engineering, what do you care that the folks over in the sociology department are idiots?
For example, MSU Engineering majors are in strong demand and the program is highly regarded.
So, if you happen to be interested in majoring in Engineering, what do you care that the folks over in the sociology department are idiots?
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:03 am to c on z
It's a sad day when we have to compete with Ole Miss. When I left HS in 02, I think their admissions requirement for ACT was 17. They were basically begging kids to come. LSU was 21, and never had a problem
Eta: I know a bunch of very smart kids from smaller schools who left on scholarship to prestigious schools. They couldn't handle the transition from small school to big university, so they came back to LA
Also, F King is the main culprit as of late. Our administration has held us back from making any real progress, and IMHO, we have looked worse on the state and national stage directly because of his antics. If I was graduating HS and was more serious about learning and less serious about getting drunk, I wouldn't give LSU a second look unless it was a specialized program
Eta: I know a bunch of very smart kids from smaller schools who left on scholarship to prestigious schools. They couldn't handle the transition from small school to big university, so they came back to LA
Also, F King is the main culprit as of late. Our administration has held us back from making any real progress, and IMHO, we have looked worse on the state and national stage directly because of his antics. If I was graduating HS and was more serious about learning and less serious about getting drunk, I wouldn't give LSU a second look unless it was a specialized program
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 11:10 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:04 am to baldona
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The best students want to go to school where they want to live, and usually where they want to work when they graduate. The fact is that most of your best students and your brightest don't want to stay in the states of Louisiana, Alabama, and Mississippi. Many of the others too.
Most 18 year olds aren't thinking about where they're going to be after they graduate. They're thinking about where they want to go to college - the quality of the education and the overall college experience.
There are lots of successful colleges nowhere near job centers.
To your point about NOLA, Tulane just slipped into the top 40. It's not because of NOLA's job market.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 11:13 am
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