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re: Why is LSU ranked 2nd to last academically in the SEC?
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:11 am to tgrbaitn08
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:11 am to tgrbaitn08
many top kids from brmhs left and never returned
rice
vandy
ut austin
maybe tulane
emory
cal
wash u stl
they dont want to live in AL either
rice
vandy
ut austin
maybe tulane
emory
cal
wash u stl
they dont want to live in AL either
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:16 am to Boo Krewe
It usually stems from parenting and the motivation their upbringing instills. You can't buy motivation. So considering LSU's out of state enrollment is among the lowest (I am guessing because of the TOPS program), there will be a lot of carry over of the in-state culture and little need to improve since recruitment is taken care of.
Alabama and Auburn are saved by the fact out of state enrollment is high, thus more demand on program quality. Both universities would be hard pressed to keep enrollment up without ensuring top tier programs are in place to attract out of state students considering there is no program like TOPS.
Alabama and Auburn are saved by the fact out of state enrollment is high, thus more demand on program quality. Both universities would be hard pressed to keep enrollment up without ensuring top tier programs are in place to attract out of state students considering there is no program like TOPS.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 11:18 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:34 am to AUbagman
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It usually stems from parenting and the motivation their upbringing instills. You can't buy motivation. So considering LSU's out of state enrollment is among the lowest (I am guessing because of the TOPS program), there will be a lot of carry over of the in-state culture and little need to improve since recruitment is taken care of.
Despite Louisiana's culture of ignorance, LSU still ultimately decides who gets in and who does good enough work to get a degree. As everyone has already said, lots of good students leave the state for college (especially from dem NOLA private schools). If the school had better academics, more of the good students (in-state and out-of-state) would come. It's a chicken or the egg scenario, but the Louisiana government has not been ambitious enough to make LSU a premier school. That's why you're left with mediocrity.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:44 am to cahoots
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If the school had better academics, more of the good students (in-state and out-of-state) would come. It's a chicken or the egg scenario, but the Louisiana government has not been ambitious enough to make LSU a premier school. That's why you're left with mediocrity.
Yeah, I understand that. My point was more or less LSU doesn't have any reason to change at the moment, and they're so cash strapped that they aren't in the position to overhaul programs or tighten admission standards anyway. It's a rock and a hard place for LSU for sure.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 11:45 am
Posted on 9/14/16 at 11:46 am to cahoots
Parents are the ones who look at rankings. Students look at programs, student life, and what the area is like. They'd rather be happy while learning
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:01 pm to Boo Krewe
Bro we are tied for 11th. What's all this next to last stuff?
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:08 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
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11
It's like being #1 twice!
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:38 pm to EA6B
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Professionals that were educated by LSU will line up to give 10s of thousands of dollars to TAF
Well, if alumns like myself are able to give so much to TAF... then obviously the university did it's job of producing successful students where it counts, the real world. All the money in the world pissed away on fine arts or social sciences buildings won't change the fate for its liberal arts students in the real world.
Sorry, I'm not writing a check to the alumni association for it to be pissed away on some jackarse sociology professor's salary. Funny how there's a brand new business school building and a large engineering building next door, but the same people producing jobless, unskilled labor b*tches about our education budget. It's pretty simple. No one is paying someone 100K a year to be a social worker so you think your crop of alums have the cash laying around to piss away degree machine programs, probably not.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:52 pm to RadThibodeaux
FYI, you can designate what your donation is used for
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:52 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Jesuit High
Samy Amkieh
Maxfield Bell
Troy Broussard
Graham Buck
Christopher Chimento
William Fine
Nikhil Gogineni
Christian Gonzalez
Christian Hebert
William Hillery
Brandon Jackson
Ethan Legrand
Noah Martin
Dylan Meyer
John Quaglino
John Redfearn
Keegan Rooney
Andrew Souther
John Steib
Jonathan Vegh
Preston Warwick
Alexander Welsh
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Brother Martin High
Justin Levy
Thats pretty sad.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 12:57 pm to Hammertime
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FYI, you can designate what your donation is used for
I know. My point is the business and engineering schools are doing well. There's not much sense for me to give to the business school. They're fine.
You'll continue to hear b*tching from the vocal majority that produce nothing of note, i.e fine arts and social sciences. No amount of money will change that.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:01 pm to Boo Krewe
I love when LSU folks bash the instate schools. The la.tech, ULL,ULM etc.. how far superior they are when outside of the state they are viewed as not much better education wise
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Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:16 pm to Boo Krewe
Because Louisiana sucks at pretty much everything. It is a sad cycle that will likely never end
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:18 pm to Deactived
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Thats pretty sad.
I agree, but I didnt want to hijack the thread with all the butthurt that would occur
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:21 pm to tgrbaitn08
Salmen has more finalists than brother Martin 
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:24 pm to Boo Krewe
There are many reasons for the lower/mediocre ranking, but the reality is that LSU prepares Louisiana students for high quality jobs in the region, assuming the student puts in the effort. And they do it while not burdening students with debt. Earn good grades in business, engineering, pre-med, pre-law... and you'll compete with any other graduate from a state school and be debt free. Additionally, there are several top programs with national appeal such as Landscape Architecture and Internal Audit. It's also interesting that admission requirements at LSU are just as high or higher than most SEC schools.
The things holding LSU back from progressing towards a top tier state school include the following:
- Perception created by budget cuts and poor PR from F. King
- Lack of contributions from graduates
- Impact of Louisiana culture/mindset of both students (not all) and politicians
- Access to nearby major markets/employers (Houston is a feeder market but it's out-of-state and not like UGA to Atlanta, which is a huge built-in advantage for their students)
- Lackluster K-12 public education in LA
So many of the above factors are difficult to change, but if schools like Alabama can improve their public perception in these rankings, then there's no reason LSU can't do the same. Regardless, I don't think LSU jumping up 30 spots actually means the quality of education or student outcomes are any better.
The things holding LSU back from progressing towards a top tier state school include the following:
- Perception created by budget cuts and poor PR from F. King
- Lack of contributions from graduates
- Impact of Louisiana culture/mindset of both students (not all) and politicians
- Access to nearby major markets/employers (Houston is a feeder market but it's out-of-state and not like UGA to Atlanta, which is a huge built-in advantage for their students)
- Lackluster K-12 public education in LA
So many of the above factors are difficult to change, but if schools like Alabama can improve their public perception in these rankings, then there's no reason LSU can't do the same. Regardless, I don't think LSU jumping up 30 spots actually means the quality of education or student outcomes are any better.
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:37 pm to HippieTiger
Not true. We can make gumbo 
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:39 pm to Tigerbait46
We have one problem.....politics
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:49 pm to Tigerbait46
I'll also add that LSU (and other SEC schools) will always be in a hole as long as the populace of the state has the same demographics of being poorly educated and less wealthy relative to other states. Take a look at the list of top public schools... how many highly ranked schools are the flagship state school for a "bottom 10" state?
Clemson: Not the flagship of SC which affords higher admission standards and smaller enrollment.
University of Iowa: Sure, not a populous or wealthy state, but majority of populace is well-educated in public schools.
Indiana: See Iowa
Florida State: Not comparable - populous state w/ severl flagships.
NC State: NC > LA
Auburn: See Clemson
Bama/UT/USC/Mizzou: These are flagships from similar states near #50 in public universities rankings and probably represent what LSU should target. Even then, LSU is #64 so it's not that far off. I just have a hard time imagining LSU getting much better than where these schools are ranked due to so many factors that are hard to change because... Louisiana is Louisiana.
Clemson: Not the flagship of SC which affords higher admission standards and smaller enrollment.
University of Iowa: Sure, not a populous or wealthy state, but majority of populace is well-educated in public schools.
Indiana: See Iowa
Florida State: Not comparable - populous state w/ severl flagships.
NC State: NC > LA
Auburn: See Clemson
Bama/UT/USC/Mizzou: These are flagships from similar states near #50 in public universities rankings and probably represent what LSU should target. Even then, LSU is #64 so it's not that far off. I just have a hard time imagining LSU getting much better than where these schools are ranked due to so many factors that are hard to change because... Louisiana is Louisiana.
This post was edited on 9/14/16 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 9/14/16 at 1:49 pm to Tigerbait46
Schools like Alabama and Auburn are recruiting and throwing lots of money at the kids who just quite didn't make the cut getting into UT here in Austin.
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