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re: Why didn't a foreign nation invade during the Civil war?

Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:28 pm to
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:28 pm to
They weren’t following the US on twitter so they didn’t know it was happening.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:35 pm to
Brings us back to the logistics. Union ships wouldn't be too far from home ports to resupply and repair.

Brits would have to frick up to Canada or the Caribbean. And then dealing with any coastalnor river ironclads would be a bitch.
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:37 pm to
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And do you want to end the civil war quickly and fight both the north and the south? Because invasion is one way to do it


reds of china + capitalists vs japan.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:39 pm to
"Location, location, location "
Posted by DeafJam73
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:50 pm to
That was not off the table, but much of the global powers did not have the resources. The French and English were both in the middle of or coming out of conflict. Spain was, too. The timing was wrong. Invading the US would have been a costly endeavor, both economically and with attrition.
Posted by Emteein
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:54 pm to
Covered this exact topic back in June

OT thread from June
Posted by Tiger Prawn
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:55 pm to
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Why didn't a foreign nation invade during the Civil war?
Not exactly easy sailing a big enough invasion force across the ocean, especially considering the Union had a pretty decent navy that was already deployed in the Atlantic.

Plus why interrupt your enemy when they're busy fighting and killing themselves? If a foreign country tried invading, there's a good chance the civil war ends and it unites the north and south in fighting against the foreign invaders.

Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:57 pm to
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Napoleon II died 30 years before the U.S. Civil War started....



Zombie invasion
Posted by GetCocky11
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:58 pm to
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"Location, location, location "


The US was in a better school district.
Posted by Impotent Waffle
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:58 pm to
Unlikely they knew. By the time, they did find out it was over
Posted by Saintsisit
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:01 pm to
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Napoleon II died 30 years before the U.S. Civil War started....


You know how scary that would have been? A horseback riding ghost of Napoleon leading his forces. We would have been doomed.
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
South Florida
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:03 pm to
Germany wasn't even a nation in 1865
Posted by lsucoonass
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:08 pm to
Logistic nightmare
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:08 pm to
UK Foreign Secretary Lord Derby in 1866:

“It is the duty of the Government of this country, placed as it is with regard to geographical position, to keep itself upon terms of goodwill with all surrounding nations, but not to entangle itself with any single or monopolising alliance with any one of them; above all to endeavour not to interfere needlessly and vexatiously with the internal affairs of any foreign country.”

The business of the UK was the business of running its worldwide Empire and funneling the profits back home, not bogging itself down in land wars oceans away.

“Splendid Isolation” has become the term that’s used to describe the prevailing national mood in the UK during Victorian times.

It’s also a wonderful song from the late Warren Zevon.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:10 pm to
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Warren Zevon.


aahh ooooooooooo
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:13 pm to
Mexico and Britain are the only logical answers

Mexico could have invaded to help the Union capturing Texas while moving into Ark and Missouri

They could have used their alliance with the Union to reclaim portions of Texas, NM, and Arizona

Britain would have simply wanted to weaken the emerging USA that ultimately took their place as world #1
Posted by TBoy
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:15 pm to
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Why didn't a foreign nation invade during the Civil war?


The hostile nations were chopping down trees to mill the wood by hand to make the naval cargo ships and sails to transport their armies. They just couldn't deploy that quickly. That was a few years before FedEx served international addresses.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:21 pm to
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Mexico and Britain are the only logical answers


Yep, and Mexico was in the midst of its own Civil War and fighting a French invasion.

Britain considered it, and definitely aided the Confederate Navy to a degree, but after Antietam and the Emancipation Proclamation, they knew public sentiment in England wouldn’t support it. Plus, thanks to their conquests in India and Egypt, Britain was no longer dependent on cheap Southern cotton to fuel her textile industry.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:23 pm to
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Mexico was in the midst of its own Civil War and fighting a French invasion.


and if we'd have interrupted that, we might never have had Cinco de Mayo!!!
Posted by dallastigers
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 1:36 pm to
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Mexico and Britain are the only logical answers Mexico could have invaded to help the Union capturing Texas while moving into Ark and Missouri


Mexico had its own invasion and a type of civil war between republic & nobility to deal with. If anything France took advantage of our civil war to attempt to take control of Mexico and throw out the republic. We were supporters of their republic govt before Civil War and then after sold them arms (some Americans involved after as well) and threatened to enforce Monroe Doctrine, but during we could only really voice support for republic govt and/or apprehension over the installation of the Empire.
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