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Why didn't a foreign nation invade during the Civil war?

Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:06 pm
Posted by Boo Krewe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:06 pm
This was a ripe opportunity to take massive area with untapped resources. I understand Britain almost got involved. What about France under Napoleon II? Mexico? Ottoman empire wasnt as strong as they once we're but still a force . Russia ? I understand Union was powerful but Britain still should have commanded biggest army with Indian and Chinese subjects
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:07 pm to
Would that even be logistically possible?
Posted by Shepherd
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:08 pm to
No one knew.. the internet was down.
Posted by BobLeeDagger
In Your Head
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:08 pm to
Elaborate
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
39228 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:09 pm to
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Why didn't a foreign nation invade during the Civil war?


A big arse mother frickin o chin.
Posted by Boo Krewe
Member since Apr 2015
9810 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:09 pm to
Why didn't Mexico attack ? Spain ? I know Japan was occupied . Brazil ?I watch too much game of thrones
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:11 pm to
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I watch too much game of thrones


and comes here to bitch about not being able to get laid
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:11 pm to
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Why didn't Mexico attack ?


They couldn't even defeat a small army of rebels in Texas.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
59345 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:11 pm to
the US had the last two remaining dragons
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71188 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:13 pm to
Mexico was extremely unstable and facing a debt crisis with European lenders demanding payment and attempting to take territories as collateral.

By the end of the war, the Grand Army of the Republic (Union) was the largest, best equipped, best trained, and most experienced fighting force on the planet.

When Napoleon III tried to take over Mexico, his troops got smacked by the Americans who came down to help, putting an end to their re-colonization designs for North America. If the French had won convincingly at Puebla, or the South victorious and Antietam and/or Gettysburg, European involvement in North America during and after the war would have been very different.

Russia had attempted to colonize Alaska, but simply didn’t have the money or excess population to do so in numbers. Gold and oil wouldn’t be discovered there until near the turn of the century.

The Russians were more worried about the Ottomans and incorporating the Tartars, Central Asian Steppe peoples, and Siberian natives into their massive, sparsely populated Empire.

They feared, rightly, that if they didn’t sell it, they’d lose Alaska to the Brits, Americans, or Japanese since Russia had little to no ability to project strength there at the time.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:14 pm to
The Confederacy was banking on European intervention which never happened. Britain and the US nearly went to war when The US Navy boarded a British passenger ship and arrested two Confederate diplomats (one of them being John Slidell, for whom the town of Slidell is named after) but it was resolved peacefully.

Mexico was in the midst of its own civil war at the time and had its hands full.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
135363 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:16 pm to
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Why didn't a foreign nation invade during the Civil war?
What about France under Napoleon II?
Napoleon II died 30 years before the U.S. Civil War started....
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:17 pm to
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Mexico was in the midst of its own civil war at the time and had its hands full.


plus we'd already sent their asses packing a few years earlier, we did agree, however, as a term of the treaty, name an airport in SoCal after their leader, win/win I suppose
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42734 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:17 pm to
Because it’s a long fricking way across either ocean.

And do you want to end the civil war quickly and fight both the north and the south? Because invasion is one way to do it
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 12:18 pm
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:18 pm to
Logistics.

Union navy was at sea already to fight anyone. Invading union territory meant fighting a mechanized army able to move with tail at their leisure. Invading southern territory mean getting through union boats. Then being in hostile territory everywhere. Mexico would've meant fighting either army in the western theater. And they kinda sucked arse at fighting.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106059 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:18 pm to
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They couldn't even defeat a small army of rebels in Texas.


They did pretty well against the ragtag Texicans until Andrew Jackson allowed officers and NCO's from the US 2nd Infantry Regiment stationed across the Sabine River at Fort Jessup to temporarily "resign" and join Sam Houston's army in time for San Jacinto.
Posted by Tony The Tiger
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Sep 2003
2744 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:20 pm to
It is fascinating to think about, but after the revolutionary war I doubt many countries (outside of Great Britain) would be able to fight this fight and win - and GB knew the risk was too great. Obviously, the best time would have been right at the tail end of the war. Possibly attacking NY and DC head-on, while forces were fighting in the south. The Union army would then be forced to retreat from the south and go north. Depleted, they would at best be on even ground, at worst be beaten soundly. The wild card would be the Confederacy. If they choose to not travel north and simply claim victory in the south, there would be an interesting dichotomy of a foreign nation claiming the north and the Confederacy claiming the south. If they choose to go north, and possibly fight alongside the Union army (unlikely), a number of different things could happen.

1) if the USA/CSA succeeds, perhaps the union would grant the CSA freedom in exchange for their efforts in helping fight off the foreign forces.
2) if the USA/CSA fails, then the whole continental USA would fall

Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71188 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:20 pm to
The Union Navy was the largest, most advanced navy in the world at that time. However, they were adapted to controlling rivers and harbors to stop blockade-runners. They weren’t a true blue water navy like the brits.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106059 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:23 pm to
Interestingly, the Confederate Navy commerce raiders such as CSS Alabama, CSS Shenandoah, etc., were built in British shipyards and mostly crewed by British mercenaries. After the war, Britain had to pay millions of dollars in claims for the destruction wrought on the US merchant fleet by them.
Posted by Boo Krewe
Member since Apr 2015
9810 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 12:26 pm to
Shouldn't Britain have had the best army. More people from colonies across world. Diverse fighting force , badasses across globe and best navy .


Did no other country have balls ? The Brits had Nepali Gurkha rifles. Germany? I know Italy and Portugal were fricked at time
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 12:29 pm
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